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    Quote Originally Posted by djg View Post
    <<SNIP<<
    the part about taping the headstock is just hilarious. that agnesi guy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
    Yup!!

    They (the media guys) tape over brand names all the time, it's not for trademark infringement, nobody gets free ad space, just look at the Nikon camera logo it's ALWAYS taped over. Who gets ad space? Apple, soda and beer brands, Sony and more, because they likely pay a lot for the presence there.

    Trademark infringement using a git in a movie? R-E-A-L-L-Y??? Players on stage should start taping over the heads of their "genuine" Gibson gits and let's see them howl to take the tape off :-) Let anyone at Gibson tell me or other players we are COMPELLED to advertise for them without compensation :-)

    It goes to show you making a lot of money cannot buy you common sense.
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    Gary

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  3. #52

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    BTW, here are Gibson's registered trademarks including headstock, body, and pickguard designs:

    Gibson Brands Inc Registered Patents And Trademarks

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    This "infringement" I find puzzling:

    What's Going On With Gibson-headstock-jpg

  5. #54

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    For a ZZ Top appearance on Jools Holland's Later, sometime in the mid-90s, Billy Gibbons taped over the logo on his Les Paul, then wrote Tokai on the tape.

    What's Going On With Gibson-zz-top-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litterick View Post
    For a ZZ Top appearance on Jools Holland's Later, sometime in the mid-90s, Billy Gibbons taped over the logo on his Les Paul, then wrote Tokai on the tape.
    funny but fake.


  7. #56

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    Meshuggah used to tape over their Ibanez logos until the company recognized them in an official capacity. It might be a good idea for all of us to adopt. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Vinnie View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read on another forum ... Gibson Les Paul oriented with people well versed in Gibson's history ... that the headstock design was in the pubic domain 100 years ago when Orville Gibson started using it. Go figure.
    If the “open book” headstock shape had been used before Gibson adopted it, I think it was very rare. In a quick search, I don’t find any pre-Gibson examples. Even so, it may be legal to adopt a historical design element as a trademark, as long as no one else has a prior claim to it as such.

    A short read about trademarks in the US:
    Trademark Basics - Crafts Law

    Application of trademark law is complicated though. One important factor is whether the product shape might cause someone to purchase a non-Gibson product thinking they were buying a Gibson or Gibson-licensed product. Here’s an analysis of the Gibson vs. PRS case over the single-cut shape.
    https://www.socsci.uci.edu/lawforum/...J_2007_wie.pdf
    Last edited by KirkP; 06-27-2019 at 01:21 PM.

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    this isn't a legal issue any longer. the worst thing that could happen to gibson is winning the case against dean. funnily enough, imo there is still a way out for them.

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    Oops. Gibson lost.

    Gibson's Flying V Body Shape Trademark Appeal | Reverb News


    Yes I realize it’s Europe and not related to the Dean lawsuit, but the principle here was outlined by the prior lawsuits settled against Fender:

    Shapes of Things: A Brief History of the Peculiar Behind-the-Scenes War Over Guitar Designs
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    So sad it's usually not the inventor or group of people that make the best version. It's the person or group who can somehow sell it and then claim ownership.
    Whether it's a windshield wiper, the "Blues", or guitars.

    And winners and their supporters try to own and write the history as well,LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dot75 View Post
    Also...

    Didn't Gibson do a slash les paul custom shop model that was a copy of slash's lp copy he got because his gibson lp was cr*p ?

    Peace out - my head hurts now.
    This.

    I don't see how Gibson can really defend the argument if the Slash copy ever gets used against them since it is an example of them having publicly condoned the practice.

    That said, I have (personally) far less issue in Gibson trying to protect their IP than with Dimarzio being able to stop or demand a licence fee for anyone (including Gibson) making double-white exposed humbuckers. At least Gibson did actually come up with the shapes (more or less) rather than just being corporate sharks. Just a pity (as others have said) that they aren't making instruments good enough that everyone would actually prefer a Gibson over instruments by other companies.

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    Yep - here's the man himself promoting his new model - a Gibson copy of a Kris Derrig copy* of a Gibson Les Paul. The guitar on the left is the 'original'

    *hard to see from the poor quality video but did Kris Derrig put Gibsons' name on the headstock ?



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