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    I mean if you just want to have a rant, fair enough.

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    I once had this discussion with Tony Heilbut, a record producer (and also Literature Professor at NYU) for my fave gospel singer, Marion Williams, and after hearing all my complaints (which were similar to the OP's), he said, "What can you expect from a consumer society?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgcim View Post
    I once had this discussion with Tony Heilbut, a record producer (and also Literature Professor at NYU) for my fave gospel singer, Marion Williams, and after hearing all my complaints (which were similar to the OP's), he said, "What can you expect from a consumer society?"

    Exactly, this is all just a reflection of our 21st century culture where the internet competes with 1000 TV channels, that competes with hand held personal supercomputers (cell phones) and virtual reality video games, porn, pro sports.

    Music??? That's just noise for the background....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo View Post
    Exactly, this is all just a reflection of our 21st century culture where the internet competes with 1000 TV channels, that competes with hand held personal supercomputers (cell phones) and virtual reality video games, porn, pro sports.

    Music??? That's just noise for the background....
    Fine! In the end of the day, all I care about, pay me for my gig!

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    If there is no true greatness to aspire to, then what is the point? I'm a lowly guitarist who slugged it out in clubs , lower end records,jingles, church gigs etc. AndI have had a good ride. But I was inspired by greatness of many of the artists I have previously mentioned in my posts. I never got into music to be an entertainer, or make loads of money.

    I know a lot of people don't really care about deeper things. But maybe that's our problem nowadays. We've become a self centered society about immediate self gratification (me included).
    In an age where we can have it all, we really don't have the most important things. Instead we have way too much mediocrity and lack of real communication.

    I'm sad that the younger generations don't get to experience real magic of great live performances that aren't scripted to Youtube and Facebook. instead of the Disneyfied version they see on a daily basis.

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    There was this burning bush....a funny smoke...
    ...then 10 commandments written in stone, with a sticky note:
    "You shall set up this stones, which I command you today, on Jazzguitar.com"

    1. Thou shalt play no other music before Jazz.
    2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. (Don't worship idols).
    3. Thou shalt not take the name of Jazz in vain. (If it ain't Jazz, don't pretend it to be.)
    4. Remember the day of worship, to keep it holy. (Always gig every weekend.)
    5. Honour thy father and thy mother. (Make Hoagy Carmichael and Ella Fitzgerald proud.)
    6. Thou shalt not murder. (Leave "Stella By Starlight" alone if you don't know what you're doing)
    7. Thou shalt not commit adultery. (Don't gig with thy competitor's vocalist.)
    8. Thou shalt not steal. (Respect Intellectual property. Don't sample, write your own stuff.)
    9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. (May the truth be told! Hip-Hop sucks.)
    10. Thou shalt not covet. (Don't lust for Larry's 335)

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    Slightly off topic, but to compare generations...

    Here's a teenage anthem of my time (80's). Attitude: leave me the f$%k alone, I'm fine, f$%k off!





    Here's teenage anthem of today (2010's) Attitude: Mom, I don't like being on my own, I was much happier being a little kid, taken care of!


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    To be completely fair, I think gen x were very tiresome and lacking any degree of substance. Now they are just a historical footnote - have you noticed people only ever talk about boomers and millennials now?

    I find millennials interesting from an anthropological point of view, although they are crap in a number of completely different ways.

    I’m kind of in the middle. If Boomers are vinyl, Gen X is cassette and CD, and Millennials are downloading and streaming, I’m a bit like the Minidisc of generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    What if someone like Tom Quayle would have had those skills in 1975..
    Tom Quayle is know for not functioning well in a band setting, seems like he hasn't got the greatest peoples skillz. In 1975 no one would have liked him and he'd be playing for him self in his basement.

    2019 he plays for millions in his basement.

    Tom Quayle might be lucky that he is not back in 1975, no?



    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive View Post
    Slightly off topic, but to compare generations...

    Here's a teenage anthem of my time (80's). Attitude: leave me the f$%k alone, I'm fine, f$%k off!





    Here's teenage anthem of today (2010's) Attitude: Mom, I don't like being on my own, I was much happier being a little kid, taken care of!

    Seriously?

    The 80s where a cheery time, where nobody felt sorry for themselves and everybody just stood proud?

    The 80s had a zillion angsty artists feeling sorry for themselves. Plenty of proud f%&k you style artist in 2019. Cheery picking two songs to prove a random point is too easy

    Atotal parallel to the 21 pilot song from the 80s would be this (No apologies for being euro):

    I was looking for a job and then I found a job .. and heaven knows I'm miserable now ....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive View Post
    At the risk of repeating myself, but the only 'problem' I have with today's music, which is not really a problem, just an observation- there are no social impact from any music today. Music doesn't define a lifestyle, fashion, attitude etc. More like just a commodity. Which is ok I guess, but I feel lucky growing up in different time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive View Post

    Btw, I work part time as Rock Band teacher in a music school, so I base my observation on a sociological survey.


    I dunno. Back when music intent on having social impact there was only one or two TV channel, a few radiostations owned by the patriarchy and a cold war raging.

    These days everything is social. Every single minute we are bombarded by outrage about anything with the envioroment and LGBT+ being the loudest. The political musician is not needed

    You're pulling 60s society and values over 2020s reality. I choose to have faith and think everyone is doing their best in life, but that their best might entail different actions than back in the day.

    To be honest can you give examples of specific social commentary that you can build a band around?

    Btw I work full time as an economist in government producing national statistics so I base my opinion on national surveys
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgcim View Post
    I once had this discussion with Tony Heilbut, a record producer (and also Literature Professor at NYU) for my fave gospel singer, Marion Williams, and after hearing all my complaints (which were similar to the OP's), he said, "What can you expect from a consumer society?"
    Ah, an Adornite

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    I have it on fairly good authority that Tom Quayle suffers from crippling performance anxiety poor chap.

    Whereas I’ve always been very happy to inflict myself on all and sundry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post
    To the post concerning getting over being a full time musician in order to have great music. Couldn't disagree more with that statement. Anyone who is great at what they do sports,medicine, carpentry, plumbing, is a full time pro.
    You won't find part time Pro Athletes, Surgeons, etc. Why do you think music requires any less dedication or respect? Show me a great musician from Glenn Campbell to Joshua Bell that exists today?
    Wel, in sports, most female athletes in most sports are semi-pro and have other jobs. A friend of mine is a top level pro boxer and she trains people. To give an example from the olympics, the best olympic weighlifters in the world all have day jobs. The guy that won/finished the Barkley marathons, which many consider the toughest running race in the world, is a physicist.

    In music, off the top of my head: Denny Zeitlen, Eddie Henderson, Charles Ives, Pete LaRoca. And I'm limiting my examples to people with a completely separate career, many other great musicians supplement their income through teaching.

    I don't think my post is gonna change your mind, it seems pretty made up, but, I hope it offers some perspective.

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    The Music is just fine. It's the music business that sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBGuitar View Post
    The Music is just fine. It's the music business that sucks.
    What music business?

    Is all tech now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov View Post
    Tom Quayle is know for not functioning well in a band setting, seems like he hasn't got the greatest peoples skillz. In 1975 no one would have liked him and he'd be playing for him self in his basement.

    2019 he plays for millions in his basement.

    Tom Quayle might be lucky that he is not back in 1975, no?





    Seriously?

    The 80s where a cheery time, where nobody felt sorry for themselves and everybody just stood proud?

    The 80s had a zillion angsty artists feeling sorry for themselves. Plenty of proud f%&k you style artist in 2019. Cheery picking two songs to prove a random point is too easy

    Atotal parallel to the 21 pilot song from the 80s would be this (No apologies for being euro):

    I was looking for a job and then I found a job .. and heaven knows I'm miserable now ....



    I dunno. Back when music intent on having social impact there was only one or two TV channel, a few radiostations owned by the patriarchy and a cold war raging.

    These days everything is social. Every single minute we are bombarded by outrage about anything with the envioroment and LGBT+ being the loudest. The political musician is not needed

    You're pulling 60s society and values over 2020s reality. I choose to have faith and think everyone is doing their best in life, but that their best might entail different actions than back in the day.

    To be honest can you give examples of specific social commentary that you can build a band around?

    Btw I work full time as an economist in government producing national statistics so I base my opinion on national surveys
    Love The Smiths! And nooooo, melancholy doesn't equate whining. The Smiths actually were super hip and had aesthetics. I mean, cmon!

    Social impact I'm talking about has nothing to do with politics or commentary or activism. Ever watched The Decline Of Western Civilization documentaries? I'm talking about the subcultures, I'm talking about music as movements, social or anti-social. I'm talking about 'the youth gone wild' and new genres of music making the news. I'm talking about cult following of the bands and how one can tell what kind of music you're into by your clothes or your hair, and how it's a big deal!

    Any subcultures today?

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    I think it's too many things to tackle in one fell swoop, but I think the most bang for your buck lies in education. Reading you folks' critiques of each other's works where you say a line might be better if you leaned more on X chord instead of Y chord because of tension and release and all that stuff that was never taught in any music class I went to in grade school seems incredibly beneficial for the player. Maybe if more people had more music education, they would appreciate the more intricate and thoughtful pieces and invest more time and energy (maybe even money) in seeking out interesting things instead of the instant gratification of today's pop.

    That said, everyone wants to blow off steam occasionally and it's tough to dance to jazz in sweaty nightclubs.

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    All original music happening now-ish, some of which was already posted on this site. Let me know if you want some more.












    PS Tiny Desk is where it's at

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    This didn't show for some reason. Ric Troll, do you think you could upload this to YT? It would make it easier to "spread the word".


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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post
    Louis Armstrong, Merle Haggard, Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles,etc.. all had this in their musical performances. Today it feels extremely contrived and without real Swing, Neck, Soul, etc. And in the few instances that it does have it like Bruno Mars, Pink,Lady Gaga.
    the music itself is weak and or formulated on safe and older formulas.
    I for one would much rather hear the real deal such as James Brown, Albert King,George Jones, Miles Davis, or Bob Dylan than some watered down copied newer version. For me, Sting and The Police were the last great Rock Pop band to actually do anything to further actual music.
    In the days of The Beatles, Hendrix, if people wanted to "see" their fav bands, it had to be a live performance, or wait for some (often) corny-assed movie to be released. The rules have changed.
    There's a lot of "real-deal" music happening these days, and with musicans doing it for all the right reasons. What's pop got to do with it, anyway?

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    Guys and Gals if you are happy with the current state of affairs we now live in. Nothing in my posts will probably relate or make any difference.
    But as James Brown said so famously in a song once

    "There was a Time" when things had actual Groove and serious musical interplay.

    And then came the dreaded drum machine which basically killed it all.
    And if you don't understand how important a great drummer is to most genres
    You have never really played music!

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    I'm not happy with the current state of affairs, but it has nothing to do with music...or does it?

    Well, at least I'm closer--geographically-- to Canada

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    "Music??? That's just noise for the background...."

    There are a number of musicians around that just want to be sonic wall paper. Maybe they just want to get paid to rehearse at restaurants.

    To be sure, most venue "audiences" ignore the music or use it as the ambiance in their mating ritual, which might start out at a few nitespots.

    That is very 21st century.

    But it has been going for a very long time. 200+ years ago it was called a barn dance.

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    Too many darn old fogies around here, many of whom are possibly chronologically younger than this particular poster. Got yer needle stuck in the wrong groove!


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    Quote Originally Posted by geogio View Post
    "Music??? That's just noise for the background...."

    There are a number of musicians around that just want to be sonic wall paper. Maybe they just want to get paid to rehearse at restaurants.

    To be sure, most venue "audiences" ignore the music or use it as the ambiance in their mating ritual, which might start out at a few nitespots.

    That is very 21st century.

    But it has been going for a very long time. 200+ years ago it was called a barn dance.
    My Great Grandfather spent his Saturday nights playing fiddle at barn dances as late as 100 years ago. Sunday mornings found him ministering to his flock as an ordained UB pastor. The two groups were largely the same.

    Come to think of it, it wasn't that long ago that I was subbing for a square dance band on a hay wagon festooned with bales and the band; playing for an audience composed of Amish farmers and townsfolk, roughly 50/50. Except for this one guy, wearing his shirt unbuttoned to the waist, to make room for displaying his massive gold chain and medallion. He was rather insistent that we play "New York, New York". Witness Protection must be a bitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter C View Post
    "....if people wanted to "see" their fav bands, it had to be a live performance, or wait for some (often) corny-assed movie to be released. The rules have changed.
    There's a lot of "real-deal" music happening these days, and with musicans doing it for all the right reasons...."
    NYC was a totally different scene, live music was all over. NYC was where the movers and shakers from London came to take it all in. I think London was a bit less hip than what generally has been portrayed.
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    I'm just sick of this type of thread by now.

    It always boils down to "rap is crap"

    Is a lot of mainstream rap amazing? Heck no! But there's some quality rap and hip hop being made that is on par with the artistry of my own Jazz heroes: LTD, The Brute, The Count, The Duke, Pete B, Wes, Grant Green, Cannonball, Miles, all the Art's... should I keep going?

    I hate to say it, but there is something a little--and I know this is gonna start a comment war--but there is something oddly racist about this "rap is crap" talk that you can't avoid.

    It's along the lines of the overtly racist criticisms of "jazz being crap" during it's heyday--or bebop being crap because "black men and women playing intelligent music doesn't make sense--give me some of that Satchmo" (I'm paraphrasing). No one has ever said that here, I'm just talking about what was said way back when. Man, I can't fathom how hard it was for Louis Armstrong to play and be a clown--not to entertain people with his music (he was a brilliant man, no doubt) but to entertain people with their caricature of black life. But there is an eerie similarity.

    It's totally fine to dislike a genre. But it's odd that rap music always enters these types of conversations--and it's cast as the villain. Why?

    It's weird to even utter this topic in a Jazz forum, because I don't think anyone here could be overtly racist and listen to jazz (maybe I'm wrong--I don't want to find out). But there is this uncomfortable undertone mixed in to the hatred of rap--and it always comes up when we talk about pop music of the day.

    I'm just gonna float this out there into the ether just as something to think about. It's just an idea that came to mind, don't everyone kick me out of JGF all at once.

  28. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irez87 View Post
    I'm just sick of this type of thread by now.

    It always boils down to "rap is crap"

    Is a lot of mainstream rap amazing? Heck no! But there's some quality rap and hip hop being made that is on par with the artistry of my own Jazz heroes: LTD, The Brute, The Count, The Duke, Pete B, Wes, Grant Green, Cannonball, Miles, all the Art's... should I keep going?

    I hate to say it, but there is something a little--and I know this is gonna start a comment war--but there is something oddly racist about this "rap is crap" talk that you can't avoid.

    It's along the lines of the overtly racist criticisms of "jazz being crap" during it's heyday--or bebop being crap because "black men and women playing intelligent music doesn't make sense--give me some of that Satchmo" (I'm paraphrasing). No one has ever said that here, I'm just talking about what was said way back when. Man, I can't fathom how hard it was for Louis Armstrong to play and be a clown--not to entertain people with his music (he was a brilliant man, no doubt) but to entertain people with their caricature of black life. But there is an eerie similarity.

    It's totally fine to dislike a genre. But it's odd that rap music always enters these types of conversations--and it's cast as the villain. Why?

    It's weird to even utter this topic in a Jazz forum, because I don't think anyone here could be overtly racist and listen to jazz (maybe I'm wrong--I don't want to find out). But there is this uncomfortable undertone mixed in to the hatred of rap--and it always comes up when we talk about pop music of the day.

    I'm just gonna float this out there into the ether just as something to think about. It's just an idea that came to mind, don't everyone kick me out of JGF all at once.
    That’s a thing for some people for sure but I was not getting that vibe at all in this context. More of a “get off my lawn” vibe, here, I think.

  29. #78

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    I didn't mean to say everyone here is racist.

    I taught in inner city schools for most of my teaching career. I have to re-evaluate my own stereotypes every year. And every year students prove all my negative misconceptions wrong--I'm lucky.

    I'm not "above it".

    I'm white.

    My mom is from Morocco, she's dark skinned, she grew up in poverty, and she still has an Israeli accent (she was raised in Israel). I had Jewish friends who loved to make fun of my mother's foreign "otherness". When I went to college, a saxphonist I befriended told me "You have to watch out for those Moroccans--they will stab you in the back and take your money". I did some research in college and found out that Sephardic Jews in Israel were discriminated against and that they found kinship in the ideas of the Black Panthers.

    So I have an odd relationship with this all--I just wanted to give some context.

    But, yeah--it always seems to come down to "I hate rap or RAP is CRAP". That's the constant refrain. What about country? Pop country has gone down the drain AFAIK. What about acts like Lady Gaga or Taylor Swift?

    I don't think I'm totally off base here

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    Groove and Soul are not owned by any race. For me Merle Haggard, Willie Nelson, Vince Gill,Wynonna Judd are as equally valid to James Brown, Ray Charles, Howlin Wolf, Jimi Hendrix, etc.

    I feel the same about all genres of music. Its not a race thing as much as generational gap. Most younger players don't dig a trench,move my neck, and basically swing deep enough.
    Is it because of the newer technology, lack of playing enough live gigs, or in ear monitors ? It doesn't matter for me ,because the audience as so aptly stated above
    isn't listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irez87 View Post
    I didn't mean to say everyone here is racist.

    I taught in inner city schools for most of my teaching career. I have to re-evaluate my own stereotypes every year. And every year students prove all my negative misconceptions wrong--I'm lucky.

    I'm not "above it".

    I'm white.

    My mom is from Morocco, she's dark skinned, she grew up in poverty, and she still has an Israeli accent (she was raised in Israel). I had Jewish friends who loved to make fun of my mother's foreign "otherness". When I went to college, a saxphonist I befriended told me "You have to watch out for those Moroccans--they will stab you in the back and take your money". I did some research in college and found out that Sephardic Jews in Israel were discriminated against and that they found kinship in the ideas of the Black Panthers.

    So I have an odd relationship with this all--I just wanted to give some context.

    But, yeah--it always seems to come down to "I hate rap or RAP is CRAP". That's the constant refrain. What about country? Pop country has gone down the drain AFAIK. What about acts like Lady Gaga or Taylor Swift?

    I don't think I'm totally off base here
    This post had me rereading the whole entire thread, because I thought I must have really missed some of stuff you're ranting about, but no. This thread has nothing to say about rap is crap and it's alleged racist overtones. You must be seeing it elsewhere and bringing it into this thread. Why make it an issue when it's not relevant to the thread? It seems trollish.

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    [QUOTE=Peter C;961666]This didn't show for some reason. Ric Troll, do you think you could upload this to YT? It would make it easier to "spread the word".

    Thanks, Peter

    Here is a link to the new release:

    Last edited by rictroll; 06-25-2019 at 12:08 AM.

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    No, not trollish Cosmic.

    Can we stop accusing people of being trolls on JGF? How long have I been participating on JGF? I seem to remember posting on your dedication thread that I wanted to organize a song for you. That's because I'm a person, remember. Not a troll...

    And I specifically said that I didn't think that was the intention in my initial post about this topic.

    Just that I've seen this conversation posited before, on Youtube comments, and on other music forums.

    It can get racist, and I've seen it. First it's Rap is Crap, then it's Hoodlum Music--then it gets worse.

    JGF means a lot to me--I don't want it to devolve to the dehumanizing bs I see everyday on Youtube comments, you know what I mean?

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    Grand Master Flash was honored the Polar Music Prize a couple of days ago. It was announced that the genre "Hip-hop" surpassed "Rock" in popularity in 2019.

    In perspective; the song "Don't Know Why" was written in 1999 by Jesse Harris and made famous by Norah Jones a few years later, then covered by Pat Metheney and many others. It was written 20 years ago, but I heard it for the first time last summer(!) -How is that even possible? How can such beautiful music fly under my radar? ...Maybe because the ether is flooded with short life span garbage and I'm in a bubble, preoccupied excavating among the ruins of 1000 standards, 50-100 years old.... Actually, If it wasn't for that bubble, I would still be unaware of this song, that will probably still be played 50 years from now...

    Confuses said; "Look back to see the future".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Irez87 View Post

    I don't think I'm totally off base here
    I think you are. I hate rap. I LOVE:

    Louis Armstrong
    Louis Jordan
    BB King
    Kenny Burrell
    Billie Holiday
    James Brown
    Otis Rush
    Otis Redding
    and on and on and on and on......

    Race has nothing to do with it. Rap is crap because it's crap. I'm not a fan of hip-hop either, but I'd rather listen to hip-hop than rap anyday because it's more musical to me. I equate rap to beat poetry with drums. It's more performance art/poetry than music to me.

    And again- race has NOTHING to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCat View Post
    Grand Master Flash was honored the Polar Music Prize a couple of days ago. It was announced that the genre "Hip-hop" surpassed "Rock" in popularity in 2019.

    In perspective; the song "Don't Know Why" was written in 1999 by Jesse Harris and made famous by Norah Jones a few years later, then covered by Pat Metheney and many others. It was written 20 years ago, but I heard it for the first time last summer(!) -How is that even possible? How can such beautiful music fly under my radar? ...Maybe because the ether is flooded with short life span garbage and I'm in a bubble, preoccupied excavating among the ruins of 1000 standards, 50-100 years old.... Actually, If it wasn't for that bubble, I would still be unaware of this song, that will probably still be played 50 years from now...

    Confuses said; "Look back to see the future".

    I've had a crush on Norah from the first note I heard her sing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9 View Post
    I think you are. I hate rap. I LOVE:

    Louis Armstrong
    Louis Jordan
    BB King
    Kenny Burrell
    Billie Holiday
    James Brown
    Otis Rush
    Otis Redding
    and on and on and on and on......

    Race has nothing to do with it. Rap is crap because it's crap. I'm not a fan of hip-hop either, but I'd rather listen to hip-hop than rap anyday because it's more musical to me. I equate rap to beat poetry with drums. It's more performance art/poetry than music to me.

    And again- race has NOTHING to do with it.
    Right ... You just hate anything released after the 60s

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    Wow I'm old! Hip Hop and Rap are basically the same in they are basically talking vs singing over a track that is usually somehow created by loops and drum machine beats/patterns,correct?

    I also realize some musicians are sometimes involved as well.

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    there's nothing that I enjoy more than people over simplifying music genres. Blanket statements are the start of...

    I'll end there. Back to playing music with people I know instead of arguing with people I don't

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    The only rap I like is the older stuff:


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    Quote Originally Posted by JCat View Post
    In perspective; the song "Don't Know Why" was written in 1999 by Jesse Harris and made famous by Norah Jones a few years later, then covered by Pat Metheney and many others. It was written 20 years ago, but I heard it for the first time last summer(!) -How is that even possible? How can such beautiful music fly under my radar? ...Maybe because the ether is flooded with short life span garbage and I'm in a bubble, preoccupied excavating among the ruins of 1000 standards, 50-100 years old.... Actually, If it wasn't for that bubble, I would still be unaware of this song, that will probably still be played 50 years from now...

    Confuses said; "Look back to see the future".

    I don't know why that flew under your radar.

    I bought the album when it first came out. I must have originally heard it on the radio is my best guess.

    Regarding standards, I'm tired of hearing old guys play standards at restaurants and shows. That is getting so old and stale, regardless of how well they play. Original music please.
    B+
    Frank (aka fep)

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    The reason I started this thread was to gauge interest in what the music scene is currently. I have stated my opinion as a professional guitarist at 62 years of age and experience making a living at this.
    I'm all for contrary opinions no matter what. That's how one learn things both good and bad and comes to their own opinion.

    Even though I for the most part can't stand today's music scene,I also realize every generation has awful music as well.
    Mine was just as bad except it was for the most part preformed by actual pro musicians with some exceptions.

    Hopefully we all gain some insight in these discussions instead of trying to outdo each other in some sort of contest.

    Cheers, John D.

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    I posted this before in a different thread, I think this is some mighty fine songwriting. The music and lyric and story, all set beautifully together. This is current music.



    This one also:

    B+
    Frank (aka fep)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post
    The reason I started this thread was to gauge interest in what the music scene is currently. I have stated my opinion as a professional guitarist at 62 years of age and experience making a living at this.
    I'm all for contrary opinions no matter what. That's how one learn things both good and bad and comes to their own opinion.

    Even though I for the most part can't stand today's music scene,I also realize every generation has awful music as well.
    Mine was just as bad except it was for the most part preformed by actual pro musicians with some exceptions.

    Hopefully we all gain some insight in these discussions instead of trying to outdo each other in some sort of contest.

    Cheers, John D.
    Point taken. There's enough argument for the both of us on the Youtubes.

    I'm cool to move on and just talk music in general--sometimes I get riled up about certain topics. That's not me being a troll, that's just me being me.

    After all, it's just music (as much as I love it).

    Handshake?


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    [QUOTE=Jim Soloway;961390]


    Is that a baritone mando?

    UPDATE: OK, so I know nothing about mando :-)

    According to this page it's a Collings MF5

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    For those open minded enough, I love this video as an example of how much craft and detail goes into the production of a modern pop track.

    I couldn’t do this stuff. Could you?



    It’s a different skill set for sure. It also shows how much music has moved away from harmony and live performance and towards sound design, which is why this type of music making doesn’t interest me personally. But I respect expertise.

    I don’t rule out any genre of music. Tbh most of the musicians I work with are the same. I don’t like everything, but I don’t like every jazz record I hear either.

    I think it’s more fun that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop View Post
    The only rap I like is the older stuff:

    For those wondering if Tal Farlow or Johnny Smith had the largest hands, this is the answer.



    I tried to sneak bird & diz into my kid's lives via Popity Pop - fail. although slim & slam are still on their phones...

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    In the old days there were plenty of old farts telling everyone anything not classical music was trash.
    It's worse - Steve Race (?) says we've all been playing the git -tar wrong as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dot75 View Post
    It's worse - Steve Race (?) says we've all been playing the git -tar wrong as well.

    It’s a fair cop

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    brilliant post from the BBC archives..ty....was watching tubby hayes with his band.a wealth of british talent...heres another

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov View Post
    Right ... You just hate anything released after the 60s

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    Hell, I wasn't even born until 69! LOL

    Armstrong was recording in the 20's.
    Love Big Band, that was the 30s-40s.
    Louis Jordan, 40s-50s.
    I'll admit the 60s-70s were not my favorite decades, but there are exceptions of course, there always are...
    and the 80s were my fave because that was the music of my youth.

    But today, I love Armstrong and Jordan as much as I loved Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi back in the day. Today's artists? Tab Benoit is a fave: old-school, hard-working (touring constantly), unique Cajun Blues, great performer, simple 3-piece band with no production, I feel he harkens back to the way it used to be done. And he does it that way by design. Heck, he even records his albums LIVE in the studio, clams and all. Love it.
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