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    As always, i know its a vague reference, "a crazy jazz".

    Something not bluesy, but not something like that avant-garde that sounds like monkeys being tortured. And not standards.

    What would you recommend me ?

    I have in mind wind ensembles, making harmonies, deep fat sounds and minor sounds.

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    Sam Rivers, "Crystals."

    You're welcome.
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    Pharoah Sanders, Karma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by man-argentina View Post
    As always, i know its a vague reference, "a crazy jazz".

    Something not bluesy, but not something like that avant-garde that sounds like monkeys being tortured. And not standards.

    What would you recommend me ?

    I have in mind wind ensembles, making harmonies, deep fat sounds and minor sounds.
    Jazz Fusion? Weather Report, Chic Corea? Snarky Puppy...



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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    Sam Rivers, "Crystals."

    You're welcome.
    Thanks, but not what im looking for, too disonant, maybe a good example of what im not looking for- Also too linear.

    Things like this it really doesnt tell me anything, i like it, and i cant understand it, and enjoy it in some way, but its not something i would play and really enjoy it and think sounds good.

    Coltrane, Mclaughlin, Eric Dolphy or things like that, also things im not looking for.

    Trying to find something with harmony, complex, maybe "elegant" if i can say that term.

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    How is this? Too straight ahead? Needs 15% more tortured monkeys?

    Build bridges, not walls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    How is this? Too straight ahead? Needs 15% more tortured monkeys?
    Yeap, too straight, good of course, but too straight. And Mingus, ive already listened everything of him.

    Looking for something much more modern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by man-argentina View Post
    I have in mind wind ensembles, making harmonies, deep fat sounds and minor sounds.
    old King Crimson
    "Bent my ear to hear the tune and closed my eyes to see."

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    Anyone for Sun Ra ?

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    Coltrane Live in Seattle

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    SorryOP, I misread, thought you DID want some shreiking.

    Maybe check out Nik Bartsch's Ronin or the first Isotope 217 album?

    But on the topic of shreiking...

    Jeff Matz, Jazz Guitar:
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    "Jazz is like life...it goes on longer than you think, and as soon as you're like 'oh, I get it,' it ends."

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    Quote Originally Posted by guy.shelander View Post
    Jazz Fusion? Weather Report, Chic Corea? Snarky Puppy...



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    Nope.

    I think a good example could be Piazzolla, that maybe its not in the first thought of people into more straight jazz.

    This is a Piazzolla tune played by the band of his grandson (drums):



    Its in a fast beat, i preffer more slower beats, but just to through an example of what to me is a "more modern, not straight ahead" jazz.

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    Oh, totally not what I thought you were getting at...

    Check out Alexis Cuadrado.

    Jeff Matz, Jazz Guitar:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/jeffreymatz

    "Jazz is like life...it goes on longer than you think, and as soon as you're like 'oh, I get it,' it ends."

    --The Ghost of Duke Ellington

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    also isotope to echo Jeff

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    Quote Originally Posted by omphalopsychos View Post
    Nels Cline! I was also wondering what that piece of plumbing the sitting player was playing -- the youtube page identifies it as a " contra alto clarinet"
    Build bridges, not walls.

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    voice of chunk

    cut to the 2 minute mark



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    Nels Cline! I was also wondering what that piece of plumbing the sitting player was playing -- the youtube page identifies it as a " contra alto clarinet"
    Correct. You can hear more of it on this record, which is just nuts.

    Clarinet and Drums | Hamir and Ben

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    This may not be what you thought you were seeking, but your whole life up to this moment has only served to lead you to it. So, jump into the deep end and accept where it takes you as where you should be. We only want what’s best for you.
    Ignorance is agony.



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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskey02 View Post
    This may not be what you thought you were seeking, but your whole life up to this moment has only served to lead you to it. So, jump into the deep end and accept where it takes you as where you should be. We only want what’s best for you.
    Didnt like it, but gonna check the rest of the album. You should think Im empty inside ? Dont know, the softnes... and those saxophone lines... the piano repeating those notes... and i found it pretty simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by TruthHertz View Post
    You know about David Binney?

    Spend some time at the 55 club in NY. It should give you something to think about
    David
    I like this, a lot, but, not what im looking for. It remembers me to a lot of saxophone playing that ive listened ton of times that i never can remember the tittle of the songs but sounds like something ive already listened. I know its a bit "a thing" about this jazz, which i like, but, its exactly what im not wanting to listen.

    I find it too linear, and too much about the soloing, im looking more thigs with saxophones (or any wind) harmonizing more, making "a song", rather than "a base to improvise".

    As always, thanks to all for the replies, even if dont find what i want (which i think its impossible), its good to spend some time listening new music.

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    ROVA Sax Quartet?

    Build bridges, not walls.

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    The correct answer is Hermeto Pascoal


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    Louis Sclavis also good .



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    Willem Breuker might be up your street .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pycroft View Post
    Willem Breuker might be up your street .
    It sounds Really great, enjoying it a lot, thanks.

    But, the part of the minute 16:00 -some minutes after some minutes before-, its a kind of sound Im trying to dont find to listen. That kind of swing big band thing, i love it, but im trying to find something its nothing to do with that, that "show music". Anyway thanks, just watching couple minutes and sounds really well done.

    Trying to find something more "abstract", much beyond the classical jazz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by man-argentina View Post
    It sounds Really great, enjoying it a lot, thanks.

    But, the part of the minute 16:00 -some minutes after some minutes before-, its a kind of sound Im trying to dont find to listen. That kind of swing big band thing, i love it, but im trying to find something its nothing to do with that, that "show music". Anyway thanks, just watching couple minutes and sounds really well done.

    Trying to find something more "abstract", much beyond the classical jazz.
    you seem hard to please...many of the suggestions must have some qualities you like..

    perhaps something in the range or mix of the following

    frank zappa..the hot rats era
    mahavishnu flavored arrangements-yeah its called "fusion" for lack of a better term
    pat metheny - very wide range of styles
    miles davis experiments..bitches brew and beyond
    many others..chick corea keith jarrett cicil taylor keyboard masters

    all the above use jazz elements in the extreme..(IMO) and even to call it jazz seems misplaced

    so I would think some the suggestions here must at lease meet some of your wants..
    play well ...
    wolf

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolflen View Post
    you seem hard to please...many of the suggestions must have some qualities you like..

    perhaps something in the range or mix of the following

    frank zappa..the hot rats era
    mahavishnu flavored arrangements-yeah its called "fusion" for lack of a better term
    pat metheny - very wide range of styles
    miles davis experiments..bitches brew and beyond
    many others..chick corea keith jarrett cicil taylor keyboard masters

    all the above use jazz elements in the extreme..(IMO) and even to call it jazz seems misplaced

    so I would think some the suggestions here must at lease meet some of your wants..
    Yes, I am, and sorry to if i sound demanding, but i cant find something that i want, and the description i made was too vague.

    Frank Zappa, should have to listen but dont know, i think its not the kind of thing i like.

    Miles Davis, Bitches brew its not the kind of thing im looking for. And i already listened all Miles Davis.

    Chick Corea, or Metheny, not of my taste at all. Jarret and Cecyl Taylor, i like them, but already listened them, and its not what im looking for.

    Im looking for something much more "modern". And different.

    Ive spent lot of time listening lot of more at the time was more "contemporary" jazz, from classic but dont know, it doesnt catch me. And when some get in that thing of make disonant sounds just because, cant stand it... And then theres that "intelectual modern jazz" that cant stand either, soft and inteligent.

    Its hard to me to find something that i think sounds good, in any style and music in general.

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    Browse this: Music | LCW .

    My experimental music trio; a portion of our output is certainly jazz-adjacent. It's all improvised and recorded in one take.

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    <<
    I have in mind wind ensembles, making harmonies, deep fat sounds and minor sounds.
    Trying to find something more "abstract", much beyond the classical jazz.
    Looking for something much more modern.
    … i preffer more slower beats ...
    Its hard to me to find something that i think sounds good, in any style and music in general.
    >>


    Um - I can hear the jazz greats retort: Why don't you play your OWN music?

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    Quote Originally Posted by man-argentina View Post
    As always, i know its a vague reference, "a crazy jazz".

    Something not bluesy, but not something like that avant-garde that sounds like monkeys being tortured. And not standards.

    What would you recommend me ?

    I have in mind wind ensembles, making harmonies, deep fat sounds and minor sounds.
    Hi

    ”Social Studies” by Carla Bley? That’s the closest I can get to a big band/wind ensemble that’s neither bluesy or too avant-garde.

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    Here's a Belgian band, Aka Moon, that sounds pretty crazy:


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    Another Belgian band, called Stuff:


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    And more from Belgium, Dans Dans


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    Herbie Hancock, Stan Getz, Weather Report, Sun Ra. are all good choices