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Kreisberg's way of avoiding this is to play a lot of broken up stuff, but his running 8th lines still all start on the beat:
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03-18-2019 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by christianm77
What am I missing here?
DB
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Originally Posted by starjasmine
Like I said earlier, ALL my favourite players can play fast and some incredibly so. Joe and Tal did it a long time ago but the contemporary ones are often even faster if needs be.
MVI, JVR, Doug Raney, Pat Martino, GB, Bireli (nobody on the planet is faster), Ulf Wakenius, Andreas Oberg, Frank Gambale, Mark Whitfield etc. etc. I could go on.
DB
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Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
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Originally Posted by joe2758
It's like when somebody asks me if I play lead or rhythm guitar. Huh?
Some terms do not translate well to jazz territory. No offense to the OP.
DB
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Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
Perhaps you've got some ideas?
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Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
But yes, I agree, and know what you mean. It's really not about that, of course.
(Not ALL my favourite players can rinse top tempos like that, but they all have a way of coping with fast tempos. Something I find it more interesting to hear someone without super picking chops do it, like Jim Hall.)
OTOH it's a bit of fun. Actually I see nothing wrong in someone who might not perhaps be able to hear jazz the way you can getting sucked in by watching the sheer athleticism of accomplished jazz guitarists. I know it was part of it for me early on.
Now I'll get of your lawn. :-)
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Originally Posted by christianm77
But then, I don't think there's a single guitarist on the planet that sounds like Bird. It just cannot be done.
One of my best viewed vids is where I am playing a few Bird solos note by note in real time over the original recording. I could reproduce it but that's about it. What Bird is playing is totally unguitaristic and I could never ever create that myself.
I sometimes read stuff in which people say that a particular guitarist plays like Bird. I usually take that with a grain of salt. Truth is I have never really heard a guitarist that REALLY phrased like Bird. Or sounded anything like him. Is that bad? Not really ...
DB
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Originally Posted by christianm77
DB
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Hope you get back to it soon man, tends to improve my mood
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Resurrecting this great thread........so many fantastic players I'd never heard of....
Ray
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Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
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Nice to hear Mike Stern playing without his pseudo chorus!
Originally Posted by Bflat233Last edited by Doug B; 04-24-2022 at 11:09 AM.
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Noone shredded jazz harder than Jimmy Smith lol.
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this was and still is a top Jazz shredder..
Ray
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Ray
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Sadly, Pat Martino is not still shredding, at least on earth. He has passed away.
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Originally Posted by sgosnell
Ray
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I always have loved Jack's tone on this tune.
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Originally Posted by RayS
Sure there have been a ton of players since the above mentioned greats, many with greater dexterity or sheer velocity. But IMO none with any accompanying high levels of sophistication and groove. I'll add another parameter - "taste". Most of us here are older guys, so we all get it, but if you're like me, it took a while to really appreciate what the true greats were doing. I can remember listing to Martino in my 20's and thinking "meh".... and go back to listening to McLaughlin or Dimeola or which ever new speesdter was making waves that month. But of course now its the total reverse ! Listening to someone shredding now seems about as musical as listening to someone type fast, sometimes less so! I mean I can do it and it's fun, but I never want to subject anyone to have to listen to it!
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
Ray
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Surprised no one's mentioned Adam Rogers in this list, he's a bit more modern for sure, but absolutely rediculous lines. He's one of the few jazz 'shredders' I've found who's lines clearly have direction rather than sounding like technique demonstrations. Check him out here on a Brecker tune.
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Originally Posted by RayS
Looking for a "jazz box"
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