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Originally Posted by mrcee
There is just so much wrong with this, but I will simply offer these were not powdered wig people.
Btw that's not the beginning of the piece, that like 17 minutes in. The video simply starts there.
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12-26-2016 01:00 PM
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Classical guitar needs more windmills, imho.
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Yeah I found that flourishy thing he was doing to be a bit annoying and 'put on'. But y'know whatever, everyone does their own thing. Rock and roll!
I also get annoyed by all that moving around Chris Thile does - I find it more distracting and irritating than expressive. But the man can play, obviously.
I dislike signs of this type of thing in my own and other people's performances - looks stiff, nervous and weird. Stay still dammit!
Loads of people disagree.
Sometimes it can be cool though. Jimi Hendrix was cool at moving. Dizzy Gillespie too. I suppose it helps if there is some fluidity, grace and naturalness to the movement.
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Originally Posted by vintagelove
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Originally Posted by christianm77
koo kook a joob.
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Originally Posted by mrcee
Please give me a time marking on these offending flourishes. In the meantime, please check out these time marks and tell me this isn't some of the most amazing guitar playing you've ever seen.
Here are a couple mind blowers, vid 3 21:12 just blew my mind...15:03, 18:10, 25:45, 27:55-28:18 my favorite moment)
https://youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANyPxKpgzkgq-U4cQsGO2-yhSoRRenEhS_XINI-L17lHj9D_8zJKji0pjdZ8jEu0SQRhP1XEIuK1G5BlW1LTu9V0J 4GFYYCJ7g&v=OwmljH41B1Q
Would someone mind telling me how to embed a video. ThanksLast edited by vintagelove; 12-26-2016 at 01:40 PM.
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
Hmm.... so how about considering that the guitar takes so much more unrewarded effort than the piano (at advanced levels at least) as an argument to make that the guitar is harder to master? 10,000 quality hours from a highly talented player gets you less reward as a guitar player compared to the same effort on piano. 4 years at a music conservatory yields more impressive results (to the average listener) for the piano player, over the guitar player.
So, we can work equally hard, just to end up sounding less impressive. Therefor, in order to sound equally impressive, the guitar is harder work
Reductionism?. Or Sophistry?
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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Originally Posted by vintagelove
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Originally Posted by mrcee
That video I posted is the whole piece.
Just one thing, whatever flourishes you're talking about. Those are the notes in the score. Sometimes when you're trying to translate a whole orchestral work onto a guitar with 4 fingers and 6 strings, especially in parts that are supposed to be ugly, supposed to invoke unpleasant feelings, the limitations of the instrument make in not as effective a tool as the orchestra.
But the notes are the notes, and the rhythms are the rhythms.
Btw, none of this is to say anyone has to like him. It's just to help understand his genius.
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The flourishes he's talking about have nothing to do with notes.
But if they were written in the score, that'd be pretty cool.
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I may not have been clear when referring to flourishes. I meant the big Pete Townshend like windmill arm swing that he uses to strike the opening chords. To me it looks rinky dink. He's too good a player to be doing showboat stuff like that.
But I don't know much about classical guitar so maybe that's not uncommon.
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Smdh...
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Originally Posted by mrcee
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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mrcee:
"Well I'll be damned! I guess it's stuff like that that's the reason I'm not much into classical music. I guess we've made some progress over the centuries. imho. They used to think you could cure diseases with leeches, and that powdered wigs looked good. "
"..progress is our most important product.." Ronald Reagan spokesperson for General Electric''..
as with anything that can be measured in any way..conclusions vary..even the atomic clock needs to be adjusted..
the term "better" may and does cause much stress in communication on all levels of perception .. in general our fragile ego has an eternal need to be right even in the face of fact that it is wrong..it get out of hand-to use a gentle term-for the destruction this behavior manifests..
though I have not personally met any of you on this forum..I would say..not bet-life taught me not too-Bill Evans can play piano better than any one here.. Steve Vai can play guitar better than anyone here..
so..can Bill Evans play piano better than Steve Vai plays guitar...
to even ponder the possibilities-you have to take a side..and one is better than the other..what are you using to measure..your senses are imperfect and very limited..factors like..taste and style are ever changing..inconsistent and contradictory .. you may not like something on Monday..learn something about the subject on Tuesday review it again on Wednesday and love it on Thursday and feel those that don't agree with you on Friday are limited in many ways..
(man and/or woman:---: but 10 minutes ago..you said you liked that restaurant. Now you think it is awful..??)-the variations on this theme are endless..ask any one who is married..
as for logic being the ultimate factor in many decisions...watch any TV commercials lately..or any of the last 50 years ??Last edited by wolflen; 12-26-2016 at 06:46 PM.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Originally Posted by wolflen
I mean as far as 'Vai is better than me' - well yes, but it's a wonderfully absurd example... There are so many vectors to evaluate a player. I mean how's his acoustic projection ;-) (And who cares?)
Can you compare Bill Evans to Vai, well that's an interesting question. I daresay people who are into both are not going to be making comparisons? But then can we make comparisons between Bill Evans to Keith Jarrett, say?
So yes, point well made, 'better' is a stupid term.
Classical guitar is somewhat narrower in that you have about 12 pieces which everyone plays, and even then some people like this approach or that approach.Last edited by christianm77; 12-26-2016 at 07:26 PM.
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Originally Posted by Vladan
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Originally Posted by vintagelove
Just play it on YouTube and copy the URL. Paste it on here in the message and the site does it for you. It's amazing :-)
The YouTube URL for your vid before is xhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwmljH41B1Qx. Remove the two x's (added by me so it won't display) and...bingo!
Last edited by ragman1; 12-26-2016 at 09:50 PM.
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
"Less reward", "more impressive" ... these are entirely subjective valuations.
By the way, your point was discussed, earlier. The conversation simply moved on.
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Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus
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Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus
I must be too stupid to have noticed, forgive me, but then, I'm only a guitar player.....Last edited by princeplanet; 12-27-2016 at 10:11 AM.
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