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Motherfucker cannot swing. Therefore not Jazz.
Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
Why is it so hard to understand, BTW? It's obvious what jazz is.
If Swing =1 then Jazz = 1. If Swing = 0 then Jazz = 0
What the hell is wrong with people?
Islamo-belgique? Islamo-belgique? Don't make me larf.
I love a bit of world jazz fusion. I play it myself. But it's not jazz. Jazz has an identity. Concrete.
The problem is there seem to be loads of cats who do not actually swing (either by choice or necessity) and have a bit of an issue about because they know as a result what they play is not really jazz. But they still want to be identified with it for reasons unknown (but guessable).
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02-03-2016 06:03 PM
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I don't hear a jazz approach to his sound, or his band. It's not a putdown. Listen to say, Kurt Elling front a big band, then Buble. I think the difference in approach is pretty clear. Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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(Before I start a flame war, don't take the last post on the nose or too seriously. We are debating different a priori assumptions. There's never going to be agreement here. :-))
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Allan Holdsworth - swing = 0 therefore jazz =0. See how simple and useful my formula is? Originally Posted by nick1994
Also he moved to the states. And he's a Yorkshireman.
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Alright, I'm gonna go listen to my favorite jazz musician, T bone walker. He swings so it must be jazz, see how flawed the formula is? Originally Posted by christianm77
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02-03-2016, 06:17 PM #106destinytot Guest"Don't call it 'jazz', man - that's some made-up word. It's social music." Looking forward this! Originally Posted by gggomez
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Miles seems to be quite a shooty and punchy man from the trailer. Originally Posted by destinytot
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I thought they were going to go another way. Originally Posted by gggomez
Jazz is in desperate need of some middle-class $#@ing attitude.
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Not at all, he was good mates with Charlie Christian. The main difference with T-Bone and Charlie is cultural context. Originally Posted by nick1994
You cannot play jazz without blues, it's true (you can play blues without jazz, though.) R&B, black pop music, very closely linked to jazz up to the 60s.
According to Clapton most blues players wanted jazz gigs.Last edited by christianm77; 02-03-2016 at 06:24 PM.
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well I guess we have to agree to disagree. maybe this is why jazz is so unpopular? because no one agrees on what the hell it is Originally Posted by christianm77
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The middle class has feelings too. Originally Posted by christianm77
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Jazz is easier understood as a verb.
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as in I just jazzed myself? or I'm going to jazz you? Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Peter King can play the saxophone. Originally Posted by christianm77
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Michael Buble may not be a hard core jazz crooner in the sense of a Tony Bennett (or is he excluded as well), but he at least is keeping the flame burning for tunes like the one I'm linking below. Is it pop or pop jazz or jazz lite? Yes, but at least someone under the Medicare age group is listening to a classic song that has roots in the Great American Songbook and is not Justin Beaver ...er Bieber or Beyonce. Not that I would not nail Beyonce in a .....never mind.
But seriously, do we want to make "jazz" more exclusive in a certain sense than it already is or do want kids raised on bubblegum to begin to acquire a taste for caviar? Can't stand that stuff myself but....I do prefer Champagne to cheap wine.
Last edited by targuit; 02-04-2016 at 09:18 AM.
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Absolutely not. I think we should fight instead. Meet me at 4pm outside the school gates tomorrow or you are a smooth jazzer. We must decide the true nature of jazz through the noble rigours of fisticuffs. Originally Posted by nick1994
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Why listen to Buble when you can have sinatra? Originally Posted by targuit
Michael Buble may not be a hard core jazz crooner in the sense of a Tony Bennett (or is he excluded as well), but he at least is keeping the flame burning for tunes like the one I'm linking below. Is it pop or pop jazz or jazz lite? Yes, but at least someone under the Medicare age group is listening to a classic song that has roots in the Great American Songbook and is not Justin Beaver ...er Bieber or Beyonce. Not that I would not nail Beyonce in a .....never mind.
But seriously, do we want to make "jazz" more exclusive in a certain sense than it already is or do want kids raised on bubblegum to begin to acquire a taste for cavier? Can't stand that stuff myself but....I do prefer Champagne to cheap wine.
there's nothing wrong with those tunes but come on do something new with them, don't just reproduce the same old tune the same way
even this becomes stagnant
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OK, yeah I'm being a bit silly. Originally Posted by grahambop
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no pistols at dawn? Originally Posted by christianm77
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Not really a morning person TBH Originally Posted by nick1994
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I suspect very few or zero people will watch this but in the touching possibility that someone is interested in hearing something a little more balanced and sensible from me than my normal internet tomfoolery, I think saying it is better than typing. Here it is FWIW:
I think we are guilty of being sentimental about the term 'jazz' in a way that the likes of Miles really weren't. He felt imprisoned, culturally demeaned by the term. I think the term 'jazz' is of value only in so much as it serves us as musicians in the real world. It may be useful to us, or it may not. If not we shouldn't give it a second thought.
It doesn't mean you have to stop transcribing Lester Young or Allan Holdsworth or whatever. What's so important about belonging to a club anyway?
If you play a historical form of jazz - hard bop, say - fair enough. If you are doing some new type of music, you should think about your marketing...
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Bublegum Originally Posted by targuit
Michael Buble may not be a hard core jazz crooner in the sense of a Tony Bennett (or is he excluded as well), but he at least is keeping the flame burning for tunes like the one I'm linking below. Is it pop or pop jazz or jazz lite? Yes, but at least someone under the Medicare age group is listening to a classic song that has roots in the Great American Songbook and is not Justin Beaver ...er Bieber or Beyonce. Not that I would not nail Beyonce in a .....never mind.
But seriously, do we want to make "jazz" more exclusive in a certain sense than it already is or do want kids raised on bubblegum to begin to acquire a taste for cavier? Can't stand that stuff myself but....I do prefer Champagne to cheap wine.
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Derek Bailey played Body and Soul very nicely until the Qualudes kicked in. Try putting that on next time you are feeling romantic with a hot blond, assuming she is not on Qualudes too.
As for Peter King, the sax player - anybody got the transcription? Is that LUSH or what?
And Christian, for some reason my "like" button disappeared. Bublegum lllLast edited by targuit; 02-03-2016 at 07:05 PM.
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Ludes? Sounded more like acid.
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funk is for gettin funky Originally Posted by targuit
Derek Bailey played Body and Soul very nicely until the Qualudes kicked in. Try putting that on next time you are feeling romantic with a hot blond, assuming she is not on Qualudes too.
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