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I think all it takes is a quick look at what IS currently popular.
Today's pop music is literally the anti-jazz.
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10-27-2022 11:09 AM
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25 web pages and counting. Seems popular to me.
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Originally Posted by A. Kingstone
Marinero
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Originally Posted by JWMandy
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I've read that the bop guys played the standards but, when they recorded, made up their own heads to avoid paying royalties and get some of their own.
I've also read that they played fast to reduce the number of guys who wanted to sit in. That is, they made the same old tunes harder to play by playing them very fast. Also, I read that the insiders would decide to play the bridge from a different tune to confuse the weaker players. My guess is that if you handle those curve balls you got to be an insider.
Eventually, of course, this evolved into its own art form. And, it didn't take very long.
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
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I bailed at 'vasectomy'.
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Jazz belong to the soul and your core heart... it's not made for everyone. You realize at the end of the day that not everyone has a great taste.
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Most jazz artists are not photogenic enough to be sold to the music consuming public, in large quantities.
The people who buy jazz are.... the people who buy jazz. A limited audience. To go over that line a bit - into wider public acceptance is a combination of several factors:
1. Savvy marketing,
2. an easily swallow-able product for the mythical average person. (i.e. Ornette was never going to sell a lot of Lp's)
3. Good looks, good hair, good smile, good extrovert personality,
4. sex appeal
5. dumb luck / good timing.....
As you know quality or integrity has little to do with anything in America. Especially the music biz.
* I think my above statement applies pretty well to conditions as they exist in 2022.Last edited by ChazFromCali; 11-09-2022 at 08:45 PM.
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Originally Posted by ChazFromCali
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Why Isn't Jazz Popular?
Why should it be?
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Originally Posted by ChazFromCali
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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I've re-thought it.
I think the fundamental reason it isn't more popular is that it only makes a relatively small percentage of people feel good listening to it.
Sure, there are those that do. And there are more, apparently, who don't.
When it all had a swing beat and was danceable it was more popular. Then it became less visceral (to most, not all) and thence less popular. This may not apply to the very top players.
I recall an argument about whether country music or jazz had more emotional content. I'd say that country has more immediate emotional content for a larger number of people. The lyrics help.
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That well-known critic, Quora Contributor, says jazz was replaced by hip-hop:
By the time hip-hop arrives, jazz is fatally old: It’s something one’s parents listened to. And now there is a new means by which youth can indicate that they are different from their mothers and fathers and white culture in general, a controversial genre that provides them with some of the racial and class exoticism many seem to seek. Moreover, it has lyrics, and lyrics are always preferable to instrumental music for the masses for perfectly sensible reasons (they understand words, know how to form and use them; they do not have this facility with saxophones or pianos).
I am sticking with respectability as a cause: as soon as jazz was taught in music schools and performed in arts centres, it could no longer be a popular music form. Jazz at the Philharmonic was the beginning of the end.
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Originally Posted by Litterick
What they mean is that young people weren't the least bit interested in those boring old songs by Frank Sinatra and Julie London. It puts them to sleep. They want the latest groovy sounds and it ain't what their parents call jazz.
These days, that's changed. 'Jazz' now encompasses far more than outdated easy listening and has done for some time. There are plenty of young people who love it and want to play it. And do play it.
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Originally Posted by Litterick
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Originally Posted by James W
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
= Harry Connick jr
= Jamiroquai
= Michael Buble
= Madeleine Peyroux
yeah not all strictly old school Jazz or swing and even less bebob. All though heavily influenced with progressions sounds and voicings associated with jazz. No argument about the album sales though. Even when some only had a few key songs.
I don’t think that just because a form of music heads into learning institutions it dies- Classical music is still very popular centuries after the music was composed. What you may see is the popularity of music styles plateaus and to what level may be a mix of cultural and geographical.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Frank and Julie were not in the running by the time hip hop appeared: jazz had lost most of its young audience twenty years earlier, when r'n'b gave them danceable songs. It was disco that was replaced by hip hop.
Some young people play jazz, mostly jazz students. Jazz has not had a mass audience since the fifties, and that is not surprising: young people do not cling to the musical tastes of their parents, or even their older siblings. They move on, and find their own music.
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Originally Posted by Litterick
It goes back farther than that. As I mentioned before - when jazz was dance music (swing) it was Pop music. After Bebop came in it ceased to be dance music and was no longer Pop music. It became intellectual.Last edited by ChazFromCali; 11-11-2022 at 08:58 PM.
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All true but I couldn’t care less. Jazz fans are snobs. They don’t want it to be popular. If it’s popular it’ll get cheesy. Popularity cheapens. Sure I’d like to make a living at it but I’m no kid. I have zero desire to appeal to the hip hop crowd or other super popular styles. Jazz is art. Art is never popular. And when it becomes popular it becomes “pop art” and goes stupid. And jazz fans will turn on you quicker than you can spit. Kenny G. Even Herbie and Benson had their big time detractors when they were most popular. It took real courage to do what they did.
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