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    Somethig I don't get. A band scoring audience of 6, night after night has an agent?

    Edit: Removed political troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladan View Post
    Somethig I don't get. A band scoring audience of 6, night after night has an agent?

    USD6k - 14k per night? No wander USA is on permanent imperialistic war path.
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    Vladan,
    Your crude anti-Americanism is beneath you and violates the international spirit of jazz, which has been a symbol of freedom to many during the occupations of Europe.


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    is parody, kids. lighten up.
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    Ok, I was wrong, did not notice it was Onion. Stupid me.

    Wars are not fought for smooth jazzer's income.
    Until further notice.

    Re Kiev: I don't support new authorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiefer.Wolfowitz View Post
    Vladan,
    Your crude anti-Americanism is beneath you and violates the international spirit of jazz, which has been a symbol of freedom to many during the occupations of Europe.

    The first video had no jazz in it. Far worse than smooth jazz, more like really bad indie rock. I'll take smooth jazz every time.
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    the Piano thing was cool.
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    NSJ, people take sides and then look for facts to fit their decision. While I truly believe (I'd say know for fact, but can not, if I want to stay true to my self ) your post is correct about what the things really are, there in Ukraine, I highly doubt it will have any impact on those who already took their sides about the matter. We'd better quit the issue before we get banned from the forum.

    Just a hint: search telephone conversation Cathrin Ashton Estonian minister ...snipers victims ...
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    Nobody sets out to be a writer for the Onion either. I bet that career path looks more ridiculous than the smooth jazz musician's. Onion is really just Smooth Satire. Sorry, but I'll take the real stuff.
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    How to play smooth Jazz sax.
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    Oui, ca va, c'est un bon lecon.
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    To return more to topic, I've said before, if I knew I could make enough scratch playing smooth jazz to support my family better than I do now-- I'd get my linen pants and spray tan this afternoon.
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    Kiefer, what happened in 39 and 79 and under Stalin does not mean NSJ's proposed facts should be read as slunders. Get informed.
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    Er, what happened to this thread?
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    People, people, this is NOT the place to discuss politics. Even in jest. Members are welcome to exchange private messages about politics but this sort of thing will not be tolerated on forum boards.
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    The line about appealing to the people who own 4 records made me think why Kind Of Blue or A Love Supreme are so glorified. That's probably the only actual jazz record many have in their collection. As for jazz that is smooth, this old cat I used to know who was a friend of Jazz Showcase owner Joe Sirgel said, "I don't know about smooth jazz, but no one was more smoother than Johnny Hodges". The great lesson of smooth jazz is that people want to listen to sonorous and pleasant sounding music that enhances what they may be doing at the time. Come to think of it, the wine and cheese crowd loves relaxing to Kind of Blue. Was that the first Smooth Jazz record? kidding
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    Actually, you're not too far off, Nav...remember, Prestige had that series "moodsville."

    Time to put on "The Hawk Relaxes!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    Actually, you're not too far off, Nav...remember, Prestige had that series "moodsville."

    Time to put on "The Hawk Relaxes!"
    Some of those. "Jazz on a Fall Rainy Day" type of compilations were put out by producer Joel Dorm , Who specifically said he was marketing it to women. Hence, you would see album covers that looked like they came from the cover of Marie Claire magazine.
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    Interesting science study on why people can't enjoy music http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/3/6/...enjoying-music
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    I've read that article already, today. Guess about half professional musicians are close to described people.
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    i loves smoooove jazz....it's all sophisticated:

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    That was soooo funny! LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    Er, what happened to this thread?
    Lol. Come on now. Let it get interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiefer.Wolfowitz View Post
    Navdeep,

    Your slanders----e.g., "National Socialist", "Stormtrooper", "Adolf loving", "SS"---are the same that the Kremlin used against Solidarity in 1979 and indeed against Social Democrats during Stalin's Third Period and again during the Molotov-Ribentrov pact through 1939, when "a Nazi became hotsi totsi".

    How did such slanders work in the past?
    Ok, forget about politics and even Smooth Jazz, I just saw that you apparently subscribe to Fripp's "New Standard" tunings (i.e., cello tunings in 5ths).

    How in the world can you play M2 and m2s, as well as other intervals and chords, with that? How is that beneficial to play jazz? Seems like drop 2s and drop 3s open voiced chords work just fine with the standard tuning.

    EDIT: what about M and m 3rds? and, via the octave displacement, 10ths? Those intervals are the bedrock fundamental elements of tonal music. (see, for example, any Sid Jacobs master class where the most important thing to play and represent in one's lines is major or minor--i.e., 3rds. How can Fripp more or less disregard them?
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    I've replied to your question about seconds earlier, in an appropriate thread. NST is interesting but (contrary to your assertion) I do not "subscribe to" it. Perhaps you misread the directed graph in my avatar, which specifies all perfect-fourths tuning E-A-D-G-C-F, which is the left-hand tuning for all perfect-fifths tuning? I experimented with NST but I found the hand stretches were excessive.

    All tunings have limitations. As a thought experiment, ask yourself whether Andrés Segovia, Jim Hall, Joe Pass, or Jimi Hendrix could have created wonderful jazz with NST? At times they would have had to find new forms of guitar playing, but I doubt that they would have had any trouble....

    About thirds, you might consider looking at a book on harmony or orchestration---or even a guitar book covering seventh chords, for which R-5-7-3 is conventional.

    • Berlioz noted that that for major chords a preference for R-5-3 over R-3-5 was common.
    • Like many guitarists, Fripp dislikes the equal-temperament thirds.
    • Bass guitar players especially are prone to play R-5-3, to avoid muddiness.


    It does seem that NST is less flexible than all-fourths for inverting seventh chords.
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    After NSJ kindly left his like, I add these videos of a jazz-fusion guitarist using all-fifths and NST:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladan View Post
    Kiefer, what happened in 39 and 79 and under Stalin does not mean NSJ's proposed facts should be read as slunders. Get informed.
    This is NOT the place to discuss such matters and it won't be tolerated. We got a little sidetracked here. It happens. But it's over and we're all moving on like the cheerful musicians we are...
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    I copied the all-fifths and NST-related discussion to the relevant thread.

    New Standard Tuning

    Perhaps related discussion should continue there?

    I removed my response to Vladan's remark (as soon as it had been redacted) and I have removed my response to NSJ since his remark has graciously been removed.

    I would consider it a kindness if others would remove my replies from their quotations---even if it means removing an anti-sectarian folksong loved by other sectarians....


    I do appreciate NSJ's peace-making and doubtless sincere like.
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    I watched all 4 parts of Roger Manins' "Smooth Jazz" vids; pretty amusing stuff.

    I also watched all 4 of his serious vids on tone production; he makes some really good points, almost made me want to get the horns out of the closet, but he does tend to be a bit scattered. The fellow that I learned the most from on sax and flute was an excellent teacher (and I had some no-too-good folks in there) and it was kind of like a trip down memory lane.

    Roger's playing vids demonstrate good tone, as much as you can tell from the crappy mikes in DVRs (IMO), but when it comes to soloing, he reminded me of why I stopped going to listen to most live sax players in clubs (and sort of why I gave up on sax and flute); there was quite a lot of what we used to call "blathering". Many guitarists are also guilty of it, which is why I try to seek out Solo CM players or the occasional duo. Endless choruses of 128th notes up and down a scale gets wearisome, in my opinion.

    In that respect, sometimes"Smooth Jazz" ain't so bad (and my wife *really* like it!) <chuckle>.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ah.clem View Post
    I watched all 4 parts of Roger Manins' "Smooth Jazz" vids; pretty amusing stuff.

    I also watched all 4 of his serious vids on tone production; he makes some really good points, almost made me want to get the horns out of the closet, but he does tend to be a bit scattered. The fellow that I learned the most from on sax and flute was an excellent teacher (and I had some no-too-good folks in there) and it was kind of like a trip down memory lane.

    Roger's playing vids demonstrate good tone, as much as you can tell from the crappy mikes in DVRs (IMO), but when it comes to soloing, he reminded me of why I stopped going to listen to most live sax players in clubs (and sort of why I gave up on sax and flute); there was quite a lot of what we used to call "blathering". Many guitarists are also guilty of it, which is why I try to seek out Solo CM players or the occasional duo. Endless choruses of 128th notes up and down a scale gets wearisome, in my opinion.

    In that respect, sometimes"Smooth Jazz" ain't so bad (and my wife *really* like it!) <chuckle>.

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