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Saw this tonight https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ts/ar-AA1tzWUV .Very sad.
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11-05-2024 11:08 PM
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It's crazy how much we're devolving lol.
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To be fair, nobody signs their name on an ipad or similiar device in a way that looks like your written signature on a piece of paper.
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About two weeks ago, I was eating dinner with my family. Our dinner table is visible from the front door. A young lady, approximately 18 years old, walks up on our porch, opens our front door, puts her head inside the door and says, “Hi, would you like to buy some …” …. which is all I let her say before I rushed out there and tried to tell her as calmly as I could, why doing that to anyone else ever again, is not such a good idea. She understood door to door, but had just started, and didn’t know that houses had doorbells or what knocking was.
We have a generation of people that have experienced a whole lot of the world only through screens.Last edited by enalnitram; 11-06-2024 at 10:38 AM.
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I don't get it completely. Schools stopped teaching cursive, so students are supposed to write how? All caps? AFAIK even that should evolve into some personal signature handwriting that experts (and thus nowadays AI algorithms) should be able to disinguish from the handwriting of a different person.
That said, it's already happened at least twice to me that a bank asked me for a new sample of my signature because the couldn't match my latest "gribble" to what they had on file. I'm simply not using it enough these days, same for any kind of handwriting.
Oh well, those lost votes would surely have gone to Trumbo anyway, from what I read.
So you never knew what she was offering to sell? ^^
Originally Posted by enalnitram
Unlocked front doors is one of those US things I'll never understand... (along with helping yourself in your host's fridge)
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There were other people beside Gen Z using the pad and they had no problem so there's that. Originally Posted by Average Joe
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The signature pad at the DMV is not an iPad. It uses a stylus, at least all that I've ever seen do. I try to stay away from the DMV, though.
Writing is done via a keyboard now, not on paper. This is helpful to teachers, who no longer have to decipher childish scrawls. But not to anyone else. I can still write, but I don't do it very often now, and thus my handwriting is getting worse. Like anything else, including playing guitar, practice is required.
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And to the kids who can more easily just copy/paste from wherever, without so much as actually reading and repeating what they're copying. That's the bigger problem if you ask me, though a voting system that requires votes to be linkable to individuals isn't particularly reassuring either. Originally Posted by sgosnell
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Yeah, very sad republicans have been systemically gutting public schooling then shaming the kids because of it. Originally Posted by nyc chaz
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If Project 2025 is to be believed,they want to eliminate the Dept of Education which i'm sure won't help this problem in any way. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Why shouldn't it be believed? It's the GOP document created by a bunch of Trumps big time donors.
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Votes can't be linked directly to individuals. With mail voting, the marked ballot is sealed inside a carrier envelope, which is sealed inside a mail envelope. The voter's signature is on the mail envelope, under the sealed flap, along with the voter's ID info. Once the signature and ID are validated, the outer envelope is destroyed, and the inner envelope, with no identifying information at all, is stored for counting. When the votes are counted, there is no way to know whose ballot is which. The same ID and signature are required when voting in person, before the voter is given a ballot to mark in private. It's public record that you voted in either case, but there is no record anywhere of how you voted. Originally Posted by RJVB
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A recent study in Frontiers in Psychology monitored brain activity in students taking notes and found that those writing by hand had higher levels of electrical activity across a wide range of interconnected brain regions responsible for movement, vision, sensory processing and memory. The findings add to a growing body of evidence that has many experts speaking up about the importance of teaching children to handwrite words and draw pictures.
Scientific American
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If that works the same way there as here, there is indeed no easy way to couple the actual vote to the person casting it during in-person voting. For voting by mail or even online we just have to trust that things are done we're led to believe. Originally Posted by sgosnell
I've only ever voted online once or twice and that made me feel uneasy for exactly that reason - and then I decided there was little point in me voting in the insignificant country I'm from since I'm not planning to move back there.
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Online voting does not exist in the USA. Even electronic voting machines are distrusted. Many want to go back to paper ballots, which can be a problem when there are many millions of voters involved. Counting paper ballots by hand takes far longer than a computer can do the work. But whatever...
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As an alternative … I worked in shipping for a while and signed my name professionally about 70 times a day and my signature is also absolutely illegible.
I took a savings bond to the bank once and signed the form and gave them my ID and the teller gave me a new form and was like … look man, I can tell this is you, but you’re going to need to try harder on that signature.
Point being knowing how to write cursive doesn’t necessarily mean you’re good at writing cursive.
Literally the only time I write proper cursive is a written check which is four times a year for the exterminator and literally nothing else.
Kind of silly that voting would be tied up by something that Gen Z will probably never be required to do in any other circumstance.
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I haven't signed my name in cursive since elementary school. I thought a signature was just the natural way you write your name out, whether it's cursive or not?
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No, just printing the letters isn't a signature. It doesn't have to be legible, just consistent. BTW, I have a grandson, 8 years old, who is practicing his signature so he's ready to sign a multimillion dollar MLB contract.
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That’s very wholesome. I like it.
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I don't just print them, it's a stylized signature, it's just not using cursive. The letters are connected but they are print letters so I guess maybe it's a sort of hybrid print-cursive. I always thought a cursive upper case "T" was a completely unnecessary thing. Originally Posted by sgosnell
No, just printing the letters isn't a signature. It doesn't have to be legible, just consistent. BTW, I have a grandson, 8 years old, who is practicing his signature so he's ready to sign a multimillion dollar MLB contract.
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So what do people do once inside the voting places they queued up for? Originally Posted by sgosnell
And do I understand correctly that illitterate people can't vote in the US?
And I still don't get the problem about those genzers. How do they sign contracts? Is that all electronic in the US nowadays, or does it involve you writing the date, place, your name and putting your signature somewhere at the bottom of a final page, like it works here and I guess most other places? Note that means you can use whatever form of writing to spell your name (as long as it's legible, and here caps is usually preferred for that reason) and your signature can be as abstract as you like. And AFAIK illiterate people can let someone else write their name, place & date, and just sign with an X...
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DocuSign
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When signing for a package, usually I have to so it quickly with my finger on a small screen that isn't very sensitive, so my signature is just a squiggly line. I'm happy to just make a mark. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
It used to be that I had to sign at a grocery store chain in order to get discounts and I would usually sign "Mick Jagger" because I was worried about "being in the system, man."
But with a decent pen and a good surface, my signature is perfectly legible.
Perhaps teaching cursive should be introduced in education. Writing by hand is definitely a different mental experience than typing or in block letters. Ideas often flow better when I'm writing by hand.
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There's a machine to help people with disabilities, the voter can also bring someone with them to help them fill out the ballot(this cannot be their employer or a union leader), lastly they can be helped by 2 election judges, one from the Democrat and one from the Republican party. Originally Posted by RJVB
I was an election judge on Tuesday.
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Oh, like stopping an Immigration bill, and then running on Immigration, and getting elected president you mean? Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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