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I notice now that I am 63 that my eyes sight seems to go south around dusk. I notice that they seem just mucky and feel like there is paste on them. Granted I have the start of a cataract but not developed enough to cause this directly. I have a gig I play the 4:30 pm Mass and in the low light and that time of day everything goes south. My acuity declines both near a far vision. Anyone else notice this as they age? I am good in the morning and through the day but by dusk it gets worse.
Now I had a retinal detachment back in July but that so far repaired good, and they issue was happening even before then and with both eyes. Reading music is a real challenge and I need lighthouse in front of the music stand to really see the best. I am guessing I might not be the only person with this but requires light or great ears to avoid reading.
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10-09-2024 04:53 PM
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One of the reasons I picked up jazz (again) was to have something to do in my 60s. And preparing for it with no need for eyes...
But they say laser surgery can be a good idea?
Or, have you tried those new fancy tablets - way crispier than paper in a dimly lit and smokey hall.
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I have the same issue with low light. I can't read in it or do fine tasks up close. I need it brightly lit and then I'm ok as long as the print or thing I am working on isn't too tiny.
I don't want and can't really afford glasses especially since I just sunk 2k into my mouth getting a crown. I use a magnifying glass with a built in light for my prayer books and last year read a 500 page book on the Theotokos using it so I get by.
Truthfully if I spend less time on the computer and more time looking out into the distance of God's creation my eyes seem to work better. Sometimes I think if I go blind my spiritual eyes will also work better.
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if you can manage the page turns, the iPad has a very readable screen that is of course lit.
for reading paper charts with print that is too small, I have two things that may be worth considering.
One is a very bright stand light.the other is a pair of glasses that I’ve heard called “music glasses“ which have a focal length set to be the distance between your eyes and the sheet music on a stand.
Another way of accomplishing the same thing is to use progressive bifocals. It is my understanding that brands have different contours for the middle distance vision. Basically, there is a large area for distant vision and a somewhat smaller, but still fairly large area for close vision. In between , which looks like the middle of an hourglass , is where Music vision is . it is my understanding that different brands have different widths for that portion of the lens . it’s worth discussing with your optometrist.
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
My thing is this feeling of eyes being mucky and pasty in evening and my vision is not as good. I think dry eyes is probably the real cause among other things. I used a lot more drop today and it is much better. In fact I may have to splurge and by the better eye drops without the preservatives. They cost a lot more cash but probably better option. I do have floaters and a macular pucker in my right eye but not enough to do anything. Seeing little dotes on music staff though always a challenge even if you can see right?
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I had my cataracts removed and implants to focus on the music stand.
First doctor said I'm not yet ready. Second doctor said If you think you're ready, I'll do it. I did it and I am not a bit sorry.
Adding a tablet with a foot pedal page turner made the world of difference for me.
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Originally Posted by deacon Mark
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The back lighting of a computer or tablet screen makes it worse for me because my eyes get tired of the forward emitting light and I wind up zooming it way in to see. Like right now. I'm def a traditional paper pages sort of guy. Then the light is facing away from me illuminating the page and I can read comfortably for much longer. I'd probably just get a real bright clip on light for the music stand unless the band leader didn't allow charts or stands. Oh wait, I don't, lol.
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Aging eyes here, too, in mid 60s.
In Japan, reading glasses are “rogan kyo,” literally “old eye mirror.”
Had two pairs made, one for close reading (books, screens, etc.) and one for music stands.
I don’t gig often, but for any gigs I make sure to know the tunes well enough to not need to read.
Most of my musicking is at jam sessions, usually a few times a month at different venues with different people. It’s unpredictable.
To keep things together, we use the Jazz Standard Bible, 2 vols similar to the Real Book.
I only call tunes I know well, others use their JSB, and vice versa.
Last night we had 2 vocalists that brought their charts. I played all night, didn’t call any tunes and it was all reading chord charts. So out came the trusty rogan kyo!
I noticed, though, that lighting is becoming an issue. Some stages are bright enough, for now. Can also notice the more I use them the more I need rogan kyo, so I’m trying to embrace aging.
Wishing you all the best!
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Not an eye doctor, and don't know what you've discussed with yours, but your description of your vision not being so good in the evening makes me recall these two things:
1] The entire volume of the aqueous humor is replaced every 90 to 100 minutes.
2] Formation of the aqueous humor is correlated with and sensitive to circadian rhythm (sleep-wake cycle).
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Don’t know about the US but over here, drugstores sell reading glasses for a couple of euros. I relied on them for years, before I eventually got bifocals.
Don’t know if that’s what you need, but it’s a small investment that may help you bridge the time until surgery.
There are also eye training programs that help with keeping the eye muscles agile.
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Have you tried a music stand light:
Amazon.ca
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Originally Posted by deacon Mark
1) Standard lenses. You choose whether you want close or distance vision corrected. Most choose distance and then wear glasses for close and intermediate. Some can have a distance lens in one eye and a close in the other, but this is usually only offered to those that have previously got used to this arrangement with contacts.
2) Partial multifocal. These correct for distance and intermediate. Glasses for close.
3) Full multifocal. These correct for all 3 distances, but are reportedly prone to glare in low light.
I had partial multifocal which are great in full light conditions but they don't perform as well in low light. And, ironically, because my vision is now better, the floaters are more annoying than when I couldn't see properly anyway! But there are more types of lens technologies in the pipeline which may change things.
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I used e-books, they are expensive, but I feel much more comfortable with them than with tabs.
Depending on configuration Onyx for example makes screens with stylus so you can make notes, you can attach pedal switch to change pages.
And what is the most important is that they have very comphortable light setup: from cold to warm light and you can mix it also...
Of course A4 model with all these options can be quite expensive.
By the way I use it also for typing long texts (bt keyboard connected)
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You’ve all been blessed enough to have aging eyes. I knew of too many who died young. Everything in perspective.
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
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glass is twice as large as it needs to be
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Originally Posted by pauln
FWIW, there's no support that I'm aware of that the backlight of modern computer screens contains too many short wavelengths and is damaging to the eyes. Filtering the blues out a bit can be advantageous for other reasons (at the end of day) and so is turning down luminosity as much you can live with.
I smacked way too much money in a pair of progressive multifocals a few years ago, after my old-time optician judged I was probably ready for it. I'd hoped it'd allow me to have properly corrected vision and still be able to see what I'm doing on the fretboard. Was I wrong... fretboard is closer than the usual reading distance so not what typical progressives will be adapted for, plus I never could figure out how to hold my head to get the least blurry view of it. I've also yet to figure out how people walk with them on anything but nicely flat city sidewalks or without keeping their noses down ... I ended up investing more in a pair of those music glasses (also appropriate for computer work) but most of the time I simply live without glasses right now inside the house and while playing as the disparity between my eyes means 1 sees correctly at music stand distance and the other at fretboard distance. That kind of corresponds to what an old orchestra buddy of mine had gotten himself for use during performance: a pair of spectacles with bifocals covering 3 or even 4 distance ranges in total.
I do have much more trouble than before sightreading bad copies or scores set in weird fonts.
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When I finally got my cataracts repaired about 15 years ago, the options for replacement lenses were to optimize for distance or close vision, and since my astygmatism would require glasses for fine work (which is to say reading) anyway, I chose distance lenses. So now I can drive without glasses, though the dashboard instruments are fuzzy. And I'd been wearing lined trifocals* for years, with the biggest reading-distance center section I could find--and using a version of reading glasses for computer work, adjusted to the distance from my nose to the monitor. (Roughly arm's length--I'm wearing them right now.)
I don't know of any replacement-lens solution that really duplicates what the natural lens does, though my old optometrist assured me that the designers are working on the problem all the time--and not quite getting there. So for those who don't mind the slight bother, multiple pairs of glasses, each suited to the situation at hand, seems optimal to me. For everyday walking-around and seeing at a range of distances, my lined trifocals are pretty functional--even for the considerable amount of reading I do. For computer work or extended stretches of reading (or reading a chart), my tweaked single-vision reader prescription is quite comfortable. And if I were for some reason to return to the kind of close-up/fine work I once did (say, building model aircraft), I might get an even stronger reader-style pair. At least I don't have to deal with the more exotic and hard-to-remedy family of retinal issues.
* My tech-loving optometrist was so sure that the then-new progressive multifocal glasses would work for me that he promised to replace them with lined if I didn't like them. And I didn't like them at all--it was like living in one of those movie sequences where the viewpoint character has been drugged and everything is swimming around--so he ate the expense and we continued to get along very well. He also made sure that my particular preference for reading distance (which is a bit farther than what most people like) was always specified on my prescription. Fortunately, when he retired, he'd trained his replacement well and I always get what I ask for--unless the lab refuses to follow instructions.
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