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That is what I use.
Originally Posted by pingu
Got my tablet when there was a sale, my wife got a new phone and I got the tablet for $50, mobile sheets for $15.
I don't know how a big band player can possibly memorize the 400+ charts we have in our library.
The tablet keeps me from pawing through a pile of paper.
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07-22-2024 10:26 PM
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Seems like poor leadership if guy running the band can't narrow it down to a general 40 or 50 song list for a given gig. So what, he just pulls a slip of paper from his butt crack between songs to determine which of the 400 will be next? Rolls dice? Flips quarters? Or is it a democracy with every guy voicing his choice on the bandstand while the audience waits? It's all at the bandleaders whim and no planning? Seems like a bad bandleader if he's willing to pull random song from a 400 song list that hasn't been rehearsed recently, if at all, at a gig. I suppose in an ideal situation with great sight readers and players all around, meaning the band is making real money to afford that level of players, it would be possible but doesn't strike me as a professional way to run a group. Haphazard is the word I'm looking for. Originally Posted by BBGuitar
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Dawgbone, I do not know if you find it funny to disrespect the wish of the OP but it is actually not funny. Originally Posted by DawgBone
I played in a rock band for 10 years and did not need music in front of me cause it was all head arrangements. But it was rather simple music. Originally Posted by TheGrandWazoo
Sometimes i was at on stage at a jazz session and a tune unknown to me got called and I was glad that someone put an iPhone with iReal Pro in front of me so I could follow the changes.
There are situations where folks might need sheet music and that is something I accept and respect although my mission for myself is to learn tunes by rote including the lyrics.
It is disgusting that you, someone who in so many situations insists in the value of freedom, does not seem to be able for the slightest "live and let live" regarding an issue that is so irrelevant for the course of our planet.
No one forces you to use a phone or tablet on stage and no one forces you to go to their concerts and watch them reading from their devices.
Don't you remember the old song:
If I play my whole repertoire by rote one day
And the next day I put an iPad in front of me
It ain't nobody's fucking business
If I do!
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The question is: exposed to what? As long as the device isn't used to access sensitive information there isn't anything to be had from it, and the walled-off nature of phones and tablets means that the likelihood of something fishy getting installed behind your back (and that can do anything really harmful) is small. Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
You need some amount of paranoia, but most of us aren't very interesting at all for the kind of attack that only the latest security updates protect you against. Ask yourself how many people change their (Android) phones as soon as they stop getting updates (= every few years) and how many who don't get into deep trouble systematically?
When using an EOL'ed Android device, use a dedicated gmail address, and configure a payment method that offers additional protection (e.g. an e-card provided by your bank, or one from the likes of Wise that you provision as needed).
The Crowdstrike event? Last I looked that was due to a botched automatic update from the company itself that caused computers in charge of providing security to (big, public) online services "to BOD". If it was an attack it was a very effective and clever DoS one but also one that overshot its goal if the idea was to bypass the Crowdstrike security layers. I didn't quite get how exactly Microsoft integrate their product but the MSWin computers in my household weren't affected. AFAIK this didn't concern small-time end-user systems at all, other than indirectly. The software in question is also MSWin-only (idevices run a version of Apple's Darwin and Android devices run a version of Linux).
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There's a similar arrogance movement in the classical music universe, possibly fed by some misconceived idea that "orchestra members play from sheet music and they're 2nd rate musicians who'll never make it to soloist status". Originally Posted by wintermoon
I'm almost prepared to put my hand in the fire that most musicians who do use sheet music (whether charts, tabs or scores) either sight-read them or don't actually use them at all other than as something to fall back to if ever they get distracted or whatever.
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Don't confuse someone that's trying to be funny w someone lacking in decorum, class, etc. Originally Posted by Bop Head
Nevershouldhavesoldit posted a good example of being prepared when someone calls a relatively obscure tune. Or if you're a sideman on a gig (perish the thought!) and the leader calls one it's best to be prepared rather than laying out, or worse, stumbling through a tune and ruining it. They're not paying you for trainwrecks.
How many times have you seen a blues band w charts, why would you possibly need them? I'm not putting blues down, I love em and call them all the time. But until you're out of that comfort zone and playing something a little more challenging it might be best not to opine on whether using charts is acceptable because you've never been in that situation and would likely fall flat on your face, that's real life. Some of the greatest musicians on the planet use them, it's easy to talk smack from the sidelines-don't put the concept down until you've actually been there.
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Thank you everyone for your input. It is all very helpful.
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You can’t set up most tablets for use without registering them. Androids require a Google account and iPads need an Apple ID if you’re ever going to connect it to a network or install any apps. If you go with a Kindle, your Amazon account info is on the tablet as soon as you activate it. So you can’t use iReal Pro etc without at least putting in a Gmail account and password, your Apple login credentials, or your Amazon account info. That alone is information you really don’t want to leave exposed. Originally Posted by RJVB
When a device is logged into your account, both Google and Apple may synch your contact list and your browser data from all other devices you’ve logged in to the same account. You can turn this off, but most people don’t even realize it’s been done.
sure, the risk is low. But the consequences of being hacked are serious and potentially costly.
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Not sure the term "being hacked" is appropriate here, but as I said, you're not obliged to use your main account to set up these devices. And frankly, anyone using browser sync of sensitive data is just waiting for a breach to happen in a much more visible target than his/her personal devices. Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
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Following this as I am looking for a tablet/iPad mainly for practice purposes as I'm tired of finding and flipping a bunch of pages around and printing. Can I ask anyone here, for simple PDF viewing I'm assuming Android or Apple products will fare just the same either way? I may go the cheap route (i.e. cheap Android device) but then again the saying "buy once cry once" is true for most things that will be used frequently.
Can I ask which device you got? Have a link? Originally Posted by pingu
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In the immortal words of Aldo Gucci, “Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten”. I have two cheap Android tablets that I got about a year apart on clearance at Best Buy. One cost $20 and one $25. The first one is so slow that I could write a lead sheet in the time it takes to load a pdf. Ever the optimist, I tried a second one with much better specs. This one only takes enough time for me to write a chord chart while it’s loading. Originally Posted by chris32895
These are now digital clocks on my recording desk and the kitchen counter. And they drop the WLAN connection so frequently that they get out of synch with real time. Both internal clocks run fast (which amazes me).
Kindles are well made tablets at very reasonable prices. If you don’t want to give Amazon the business (a sentiment I understand and share, although they make it so easy to find and buy what you need that I do succumb from time to time), there are entry level Android tablets from name brands that work very well for our purposes at far less than iPad or high end Android prices. You get what you pay for.
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I find it interesting that someone with NO knowledge of how my band works can make such a stupid statement. Originally Posted by DawgBone
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There are good reasons not to be too thrifty when choosing an Android tablet, at least if what I read in customer/user reviews and forum posts is representative and accurate. FWIW, I've found the two generations of Samsung Tab A tablets on which I run iGigbook to be reliable. If budget concerns are less important--and if you don't mind having to put up with Apple's culture--iPads have a lot to offer by way of app choices and inter-device communication features. The band that lets me sit in (which includes three IT day-jobbers and a retired physicist*) favor iPads and have been known to distribute new charts while on the bandstand via the AirDrop function.
Screen size: I wear trifocals and find my older 8" Samsung quite readable--though for some PDFs, a 10" might be a bit better (and bulkier in my gear bag).
* And there are still two sets of paper Real Books available for consultation. FWIW, despite the fact that these are not currently full-time musicians, I'm the only one in the room without either a music degree or decades of pro-level experience. The retired physicist got through college as a cocktail-hour pianist and the sax player spent a couple decades in the Air Force bands. They can function without charts if need be, but the charts are always out. But that's a different conversation.
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Maybe those who really use tablets for reading music on stage could post lists of those apps they find essential for stage use. (I myself as I said ATM use mine only for practice at home.)
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I knew an organ player that was really respected around town, a good friend that took an interest me when I was coming up and introduced me to a lot of great players. He always had a real book sitting on top of his Hammond. Originally Posted by RJVB
Once in awhile someone would tease him about it but I never saw him actually look at it, he just had it there 'in case'
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Sure thing Chris
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I bought this one in 2022 ….
and this case has worked out well
for me too , I’ve dropped it a couple
of times on gigs !
I usually plonk it on an ordinary
lightweight music stand or a chair
ir whateverLast edited by pingu; 07-23-2024 at 11:37 AM.
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I would recommend not skimping
on getting a good case like the one below for whichever
tablet you get ….
A strong case (i like the book style
as above) that protects the screen and buttons properly is a must
as the tablet will inevitably
get much wear and tear ….
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I love my tablet !
I’m using it for a recording sess tomorrow ….
Literally no-one cares ….
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That’s the tablet I use, Pingu. I also agree that a good case is essential. But there are a few sales on these every year, and the savings are considerable if saving USD$30 to $50 is worth waiting.
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Maybe also consider buying a self-adhesive display protection foil (Is that the right term?). Originally Posted by pingu
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That’s the one I use, from a German manufacturer. I read full scores on it, so I need a big display (12.3"), and this was the cheapest I could find. €300. I don’t use it for much except for displaying music.
Sorry for the picture being the wrong way round, I can’t fix it on my phone.
(As far as security is concerned, if you have a Google account anyway, where is the issue? You can hardly go online without exposing all sorts of data to all sorts of people that you have absolutely no control over. It’s a bit paranoid to think that you can be anonymous on a forum like this, but disclose sensitive information when using a tablet mainly for displaying music. It should be offline anyway while you play.)
Gesendet von iPhone mit TapatalkLast edited by docsteve; 07-24-2024 at 04:20 AM.
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I use my Google Account only for certain things and I do not use other e-mail accounts on my tablet. Originally Posted by docsteve
That’s the one I use, from a German manufacturer. I read full scores on it, so I need a big display, and this was the cheapest I could find. €300. I don’t use it for much except for displaying music.
sorry for the picture being the wrong way round, I can’t fix it on my phone.
(As far as security is concerned, if you have a Google account anyway, where is the issue? You can hardly go online without exposing all sorts of data to all sorts of people that you have absolutely no control over. It’s a bit paranoid to think that you can be anonymous on a forum like this, but display sensitive information to when using a tablet mainly for display music.)
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One thing that I actually had forgotten about is that I paid my paid apps through Google Pay gift cards that you can buy in German supermarkets. So I did not give Google any access to my PayPal or banking data.
EDIT: Just looked up your tablet, it is 12.3 inch.
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Ain't that the truth! That's why I run a VPN on all my devices, change my passwords regularly and maintain proxy email accounts so I can just close them when they get hacked. Fraud is so bad now that we don't even use checks any more. The check our condo sent to pay the cable TV bill was stolen from the mail, washed, and altered to be for a high 4 figure sum payable to the thief. We had to close the account. Originally Posted by docsteve
My wife and I have had credit card fraud multiple times. The most recent one was 3 weeks ago when someone used our credit card info to order an expensive piece of jewelry. The bank caught it within minutes, shut down the card, notified us, closed the card account, and issued a new one after we responded to their alerts. Interestingly enough, the order went through despite this (
) as we found out a few days later when the item was delivered.....to us! I called the bank to find out what to do with it and we returned it to the jewelry store. The woman who handled this for us at the bank told me that some crooks are so stupid that they actually use their own names and addresses when having a fraudulent purchase delivered.
The issue is purely to minimize your risk and exposure. As you point out, Steve, there's no way to eliminate it.
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That's what we call a "screen protector" here in 'Merica. Originally Posted by Bop Head
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Seems like that is what I meant. Originally Posted by jazzshrink
That's what we call a "screen protector" here in 'Merica.
The question is if it does influence the readability of music on stage. Theoretically it shouldn't ...
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