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This one goes out to DocDosco
It's an exploration of some ideas I got off the back or a lorry (truck, Americans!) driven by Ben Monder and Lage Lund.
At some point I may learn to play it. Guess what tune it's based on!Last edited by christianm77; 01-07-2017 at 08:54 PM.
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01-07-2017 08:50 PM
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Great! Just in the interests of learning something - I take it a maj7sus2 chord replaces the 3rd with the 2nd? Also, I find these kind of slash chords quite tricky to play just reading through - do you have any suggested fingerings? All just if you have time anyhow, and cheers for posting the composition.
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Yes you are right - Cmaj7sus2, for example is C D G B
Originally Posted by Meggy
Great! Just in the interests of learning something - I take it a maj7sus2 chord replaces the 3rd with the 2nd? Also, I find these kind of slash chords quite tricky to play just reading through - do you have any suggested fingerings? All just if you have time anyhow, and cheers for posting the composition.
Re: fingerings haha I'm afraid not, at least I haven't come up with any yet. This would be the sort of thing that would work best as a band probably. A maj7sus2 chord over a funny bass note is a five note chord and that's hard on the guitar alone.
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Thanks for this - I realised that a maj7sus2 chord is in itself a slash chord, at least if the root is in the bass, for example Gmaj7sus2 is the same as D/G. So your chords for this piece are kind of double slash chords, which I find interesting. I'm sure you already know this! Originally Posted by christianm77
0x3553 is quite nice for an Fmaj7sus2/E, but of course that's "cheating" by using the open E, and not moveable - at least beyond my finger stretching capabilities. But with that chord, I do find missing out the high G note doesn't seem to alter the overall flavour/sound too much, and so maybe doing that generally gives a bit more room to find voicings practical for solo guitar. Not sure if, as the composer, you'd approve of doing that though!
Anyhow, your piece has sent me off on a bit of interesting harmonic exploration/discovery, so cheers again.
Last edited by Meggy; 01-14-2017 at 08:39 AM.
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If I play it will the world end?
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1) Don't trust stuff that looks too complicated Originally Posted by Meggy
Great! Just in the interests of learning something - I take it a maj7sus2 chord replaces the 3rd with the 2nd? Also, I find these kind of slash chords quite tricky to play just reading through - do you have any suggested fingerings? All just if you have time anyhow, and cheers for posting the composition.
2) First play reduced (ordinary) chords: GM7 - DbM7 etc to see what it's like
3) M7sus2 chords are M9 by any other name. GM7 - 3x443x. GM9 or GM7sus2 - 3x423x
4) Find your own fingerings for slash chords.
i.e FM7sus2/E =
FM7 FACE
FM9 FGCE
rearrange notes EGCF
find fingering x7556x
Et voila.
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Or you could try it over the vanilla changes. TBH I haven't even played this tune yet...
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The connection is the multiple conspiracy theory threads we've seen lately.
I'm a write a tune called "pinball and pizza."
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Out of this world!
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Awesome! Thank you, ragman1, for bringing this to life, and thank you, christianm77, for composing this intriguing piece!
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I think it's lost something in translation from midi to wav and from here to SoundCloud. Also the comping behind the tune is suspect. Don't be surprised if I repost it sometime soon.
It can't be much faster than that as it'll trip over itself (more than it's doing at the moment).Last edited by ragman1; 01-15-2017 at 04:10 AM.
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Cool, has a sort of Tristano/Konitz contrafact vibe.
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I hear it as straight myself
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Isn't the Nibiruvian anthem in 7/8? That would have been an nice touch to this tune. Originally Posted by christianm77
Last edited by BigDaddyLoveHandles; 01-15-2017 at 03:03 PM.
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I think the bass should be a P-bass OC2 with a filter sweep Tim LeFebvre post-dub step 2011 type of vibe.
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I knew that
Do you really like it? I'm sure others here could do much more with it. I wish they would.
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Absolutely, I thought that too. Originally Posted by christianm77
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I'm glad y'all know what you're talking about
I might try it with an organ - you know, doomsday horror...
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Actually, I'm feeling a bit of a "dark ambient" vibe for this - something to evoke an appropriate sense of ominous foreboding...
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Was this post in English? Originally Posted by christianm77
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No it's in bass Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Ah, that's the problem. Originally Posted by christianm77
I'd love to try the tune, but I think it's probably over my head.
Well, that and the idea of Nbiru and the impending doom of earth is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of, and I can't risk getting any dumber delving into the story to get the appropriate inspiration. I didn't exactly take great care of my brain cells in high school, y'dig?
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Does BIAB do dark gloom?
only when it stops working
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BTW if anyone is interested, this tune is very much a concept tune and etude. I think it turned out pretty tuneful, so I might actually play it on gigs. Currently learning it ATM.
Harmonically, the chords are (obviously) based around using a fixed structure - in this case 1 2 5 7 - over all the functions of the chords of the original tune. This comes directly from Lage Lund.
So
maj7 - on the 1
min7 - on the b3
dim7 - on the b3 (in this case Bbo7 --> Dbmaj7sus2)
dom7 - on the b7
dom7alt - on the b2
I preserve the original bass notes, but you don't have to use them.
In terms of playing the changes the challenge is to go from something very parallel to voice lead. When I practice playing the chords to this tune I shall focus on practicing them very much in position on set string groups.
You can think of the changes as standard drop2's and 3's etc where the 3rd is moved down a step. Good practice.
You can also view them intervallically.
Now melody - I've been looking a lot at CST again recently. In this case the Lydian mode fits on all of the chords because of the substitution formula I used. So that's easy.
Gmaj7 --> G Lydian
Eb7 --> Db Lydian
(Bm7b5) E7alt --> F lyd
Am7 --> C Lyd
Cm7 --> Eb Lyd
Bbo7 --> Db Lyd (C# Lyd)
In general I stripped away any ii chords in ii-V's to keep the structure uncluttered, and the harmonic rhythm steady.
Now what do I do with the scales? Well first I composed the rhythm. I wanted an interesting rhythm, but to get that contemporary sound I avoided triplets and I think this will be played with a straight 8s feel. I can imagine Barry glaring at me as I type this. Sorry bop dudes, it gets worse.
Secondly I used a pattern I was introduced to by a Ben Monder vid - very simply, instead of using one interval to define your line, you use two - in this case a diatonic 2nd and a diatonic 4th in a stack for a non tertial sound. I really like the sound of this combination, and it's something I'm keen to internalise for my contemporary playing.
Most of the ascending phrases are based on this, while the ascending phrases are in scales. I mix up some of the ascending phrases to stop it getting too patterny.
This is a bit like the bebop practice of going up a triad or chord and then descending by step. Because the scales contain no avoid notes, I don't need to use added notes.
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Makes me want to stand at 'attention' in a floral print Speedo, beret and platform rhinestone cowboy boots.
Music evokes powerful responses.
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Headwear from Nibiru (and not bad musically):
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I totally don't get above. I mean, I read words and get the idea what it could be, but it does not correspond to what I see is done. Originally Posted by christianm77
Tune is in G right?
1257 on 1? Could it be G A D F#, or you mean something completely different?
Is 3rd omitted from the chord? If it is, how do we even know it's Maj, or even if it is G?
You have 2 different b3?! Typo? b3 is Bb, there is not Bb in tune, except as ii, but you've stripped all iis ...
I don't get how to get these chords, FMaj7 from E7, DbMaj7 from Eb7, EbMaj from A, C#Maj7 from G# ..., by applying 1257 structure to ... what ...?
b7 is F, there is no F bass in Nibru?!
How do I get FMaj7 from E7, or other chords from Nibru, by "moving 3rd down a step"?
How does one define line by one interval? Is it a special case line where you use only one interval, or am I really supposed to define any line using only one interval?
Using 2 intervals to define ... is it special case of line where only 2 different intervals are used?
I'm totally lost, unless it was the goal, like whole Nibru planet hoax?!
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I'm talking relative to the root of the chord. Originally Posted by Vladan
So b3 of A --> C
etc
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Thank you. How about "defining line by using only one interval" and the rest of my questions?
VladanMovies BlogSpot
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Anyone got a midi file for this?
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So, it would be something alike to arpeggio?
In 2nds and 4ths from G:
gadeabef#bc#f#g# ?
VladanMovies BlogSpotLast edited by Vladan; 01-18-2017 at 04:35 PM.
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Yep. That's an example of it done chromatically. In this tune I do it diatonically through the mode, for example on C lydian Originally Posted by Vladan
C D G A E F# B C F G D E A B F# G C
You can see it goes quite a way before it repeats
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Who wrote this?
“Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching.”
The Christians? The Seventh Day whatever? Some bizarre suicide sect?
No... it was the Assyrians in 2800BC
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Christian would you have a look at #42 please? Ta.
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Yeah, it's a forum in joke. Much discussion of the Nibiru conspiracy theory eleswhere.... Originally Posted by ragman1
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Oh-h-h-h Originally Posted by christianm77
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Finally got around to learning my own tune..... Two repetitions of it - first time is with the vanilla Out of Nowhere changes, second is with the changes written above.
Dropbox - Nibiru.m4a
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Go for it, I'd love to hear it :-) Originally Posted by fuzzthebee
(Unless it's on banjo)
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Grrr... As if you didn't know the Nibiruvian national instrument, the banjaccordion! Originally Posted by christianm77
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You have a twisted, and cruel mind. Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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I liked both versions of the tune, although I liked version two better, perhaps because my ear was by then more receptive to the enhanced harmony. In any case, well done!
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See "The nothing-but-aliens thread" thread. And pack a lunch. Originally Posted by ragman1
Oh-h-h-h
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Now I understand all the fuss - this is the secret weapon they will annihilate us with when Nibiru gets here! Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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That's nothing. I live in Scotland. Pop into Stirling and there's a lot of this. Every day. Some are Scots, plenty are Canadian. Some are good. You get used to it. Yes, they really do do this.
There was a young girl, whose name I forget, a student. She was very good and didn't stick to the popular tunes. She used to play interesting Scandinavian tunes and that was pleasant. But when you get out-of-tune Amazing Grace... not fun :-)
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Here's a live version
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Nibiru hoves into view!
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This is an interesting tune that deserves a nicely detailed studio mix.
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