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For fun here's Erol Garner himself playing his own tune. I guess he murders it too.
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05-17-2024 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by ragman1
He's not murdering it, but as the kids say, he's "killin' it"
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Misty's a lovely melody, but it's also a LONG ASS tune. So you gotta figure out what you're going to do with it in a solo environment...if you play the melody straight through, improvise once through the form, play the melody out at a slow ballad tempo, the tune is like 45 minutes long.
Great ballads for truly playing SLOW are short forms like Blue in Green or Peace.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
If someone put on Ornithology and said it was Charlie Parker playing How High The Moon, I would have the same comment. I don't hear Misty here, at the start, to give me reference.
I put on the Joe Pass version and yeah, he's got the three notes that tell me this is misty. Same with the Erroll Garner clip you posted.
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I did it this way. I like it. If others don't, too bad! It's actually quite fast all things considering. The tune's at the end to save space.
Sorry, Yka59 , it's not a chord melody nor is it After You've Gone. We better get back to that one later. That one I DO play as a happy swing number!
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Perhaps it’s worth referencing the most famous recording of Body and Soul ever cut in wax?
cursory reference to the melody in the first eight but only cursory and only there.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Do you have kids? You know when you give you kid an apple and half way though they're like "I see a brown spot I don't want this anymore" and you say "you can still eat the apple, it's still good." I'm the kid with the spotted apple in this situation. I am aware of that.
Anyway, this has gone on too long and I shouldn't be talking negatively about the choices of someone who can clearly play circles around me.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
You can see by the Amazon reviews that close to half of the people who bought this book agree with ragman:
Reviews 1 - Amazon.com
Reviews 2 - Amazon.com
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Ah, ha. Well, there we are. I hope Yka59 takes heed, which I'm sure he will. I only wish I could recommend him a really good book instead but I'm not really up on the subject.
Personally, I think I'd take a trip to a good music store and see which books appealed to me. There are always quite a few if you get the right place.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
You can and should question anything you want. I have a gruff side that sometimes responds a little sharply to things I think are obvious, like the nature and history of improvisation. So you just have to take it with a grain of salt. I'm just a middling player like most others here, and you're working hard to grow your playing and that's encouraging to me.
My concern was more with ragman's dismissal of a very fine, reputable player who performed a very nice improvisation inspired by the changes and melodic ideas of "Misty." But rags and I love to spar, and so don't take that too seriously!
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For the record (as in vinyl) on what became one of the most famous jazz recordings of all time, Coleman H. failed to render the melody clearly. Came out ok despite in my opinion.
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I think Coleman Hawkins established it quite nicely and then moved to improv quickly since a side is only a few minutes. I don't need to hear all of the head perfectly as the composer intended, but hearing some of it helps.
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Originally Posted by bako
'Fox Trot" - that's funny. "Don't let anyone tell you you can't dance to this music, you can! So go ahead and buy the record!"
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Originally Posted by bako
Hawk cut to the chase and got to the jazz
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Originally Posted by ragman1
That doesn't sound like just a personal preference.
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
Last edited by ragman1; 05-18-2024 at 05:52 AM.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by ragman1
The wavering jumpy jerky pace sounded like struggle with physical technique. The reharmonization density felt inappropriate for the introspective mood of the tune. My overall sense was of taking too many liberties with a tune... one or two liberties may be attempted nicely, but this sounded to me like an overloaded tune.
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Originally Posted by Yka59
If you're going to do it, it's going to be laborious, practicing a few beats, getting that much down and moving on. The portion I looked at was all playable and the tab was consistent with the standard notation.
The "idea" is that it's possible and the arranger found some value in it, either from how it sounds or its value as an exercise, or something.
Every player has to decide how to spend their time. The value I see in a chord melody like this is to recognize that there is harmony in every note and to learn various ways it can be done. You learn chords, you learn how to move smoothly from one chord to the next, and you learn tunes. You also may contribute to your version of something every guitar player has: a shelf of books that weren't as useful as the player hoped.
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
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Why does everyone want a book? If you're a beginner, don't start with those squirrely advanced arrangements. Simply use a youtube video with tab that's suitable for a beginner.
Last edited by Bobby Timmons; 05-18-2024 at 06:21 AM.
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Originally Posted by Yka59
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Last edited by Bobby Timmons; 05-18-2024 at 06:37 AM.
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