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    G'day friends,
    Chords for this beautiful tune are marked throughout the sheet Music,except for the very first 4 bars..A 'pre-intro '? Would the passage of these 4 bars have a name ?
    Could anyone help me with the chord names ?
    Regards from OZ .. Charlie
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    Looks like that section is only meant for the piano, those are fancy piano chords with close voicings, pedal bass notes etc. Not really possible to play on the guitar as written. Ignoring the low sustained Bb in the last 3 bars, some sort of approximation of those chords on the guitar might be:

    Eb maj
    G min (D bass)
    G maj (b9)
    Ab min6
    Eb maj (G bass)
    Gb min6
    F min7 (or F min11)
    Bb7

    I assume the incorrectly positioned natural in bar 2 is intended for the B since they repeat it.

    I don’t know what you call this - an intro to the verse maybe?

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    Thanks for your labours Graham,I'll try those out today.
    This is a pretty hard tune to play and commit to memory ,with a long intro,verses and a bridge and now an extra bit !! ... I've nearly got it though and really like this song.Thanks again.
    P.S. I bought Ewan McKenzies' Crocker Guitar a few years ago and treasure it greatly .. I think of him often,a great man ,sorely missed.

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    If that 4-bar intro is too hard, I would probably just skip it and start at the verse. I doubt many people would know the difference (I wouldn’t, I’ve never even heard the verse before).

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    Cheers Graham ... here's Rod the Mod singing it ... It's a version I like ..

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    Personally, I like this version better (I even like Vera Lynn's original version better, to tell the truth); it swings much more, for me. And I would love to have John Colianni as an accompanist:


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    Quote Originally Posted by scout
    G'day friends,
    Chords for this beautiful tune are marked throughout the sheet Music,except for the very first 4 bars..A 'pre-intro '? Would the passage of these 4 bars have a name?
    Regards from OZ .. Charlie
    Those 4 bars would actually be called "the intro." What you are thinking is the intro is called the verse, followed by the chorus, and then the bridge.

    Those classic songs have slightly different nomenclature than some may be used to. What some might think of as an intro (and the part of many of these songs that people may never hear) is actually the verse. The part of the song that people might think of as the verse is actually the chorus, and then the middle part is the bridge, going back to the chorus.

    What can confusing is that there is often a repeat of the chorus with different words.

    The song that always is the strangest for these terms is "Mountain Greenery." There is a verse, followed by 2 different choruses, followed by the bridge and 3rd chorus; then the whole thing repeats, with a new 2nd verse, followed by a two more choruses, a bridge, and a final chorus.

    I actually have started writing verses to some of these American Songbook standards that didn't have one; it's a fun project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    Looks like that section is only meant for the piano, those are fancy piano chords with close voicings, pedal bass notes etc. Not really possible to play on the guitar as written. Ignoring the low sustained Bb in the last 3 bars, some sort of approximation of those chords on the guitar might be:

    Eb maj
    G min (D bass)
    G maj (b9)
    Ab min6
    Eb maj (G bass)
    Gb min6
    F min7 (or F min11)
    Bb7

    I assume the incorrectly positioned natural in bar 2 is intended for the B since they repeat it.

    I don’t know what you call this - an intro to the verse maybe?
    The second bar is actually a Bb13(b9). Don’t be fooled by the high melodic line in the bass clef. The second beat plays the low Bb which is the tonic.
    The first bar could be simplified down to Eb going to Ebma7. Harmonically that makes more sense.

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    All that makes sense Ukena ... in a confusing kind of way :-) .. thanks for your input mate ..

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    .... and thanks to you as well Mark ..
    Would you be able to write for me, the chord shapes for those first 4 bars please ? .. eg. in this type of way 3322xx ..
    Cheers for now .. Charlie .

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    If you’re just comping through the chords without trying to include the melody on top try this.
    X65343
    X65333

    6x6433

    X6888x
    X9.11.8.10.x

    X8.10.89x
    6x678x

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    That's just what I'm after Mark ... perfect ..
    Thank you so much and best regards from Australia .. Charlie .

    ( You sure must have long fingers Mark :-) ...no way I could get those shapes .. might just be easier to leave out the intro to the intro :-) thanks again.
    Last edited by scout; 04-13-2020 at 05:03 AM.

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    I bought a bunch of sheet music in the late '50's and early '60's. I'd always skip the intros and start at the verse or chorus. When I started playing in a big band eighteen years ago I just automatically started playing at "A" after the downbeat. Took me several embarrassing false starts to remember that the intro was part of the chart.

    Danny W.

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    We live and learn mate ....

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    Here’s an instrumental version I like (no intro/verse of course). Nice to hear guitar accompaniment too.


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    Joe Cohn is a badass

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    Yes I think they do a monster version of Cherokee on that record too.

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    Here it is. Joe Cohn takes a solo at 4:20.


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    Of course Dexter Gordon did a nice version of ‘Nightingale’, first one I heard.


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    I have vocals by Mel, Frank, Nat , Brook Benton and this slightly up-tempo treatment by Bobby Darin . Bobby could actually swing !

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtrplrfla
    Bobby could actually swing!
    He could also play quite a number of instruments, including drums. He wrote many of the arrangements to songs he recorded (including Beyond the Sea).

    For those who might be interested, Beyond the Sea was originally La Mer by Charles Trenet, and it was really kind of a sonic poem, with lyrics about the moods of the sea. Bing Crosby covered it (in French). If I remember correctly, Jack Lawrence was asked to translate it into english, but he didn't understand french, so he wrote the song as a love song, completely changing the song's story.

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    Since we're posting versions....


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    Liked it ... a very talented man

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    Thanks Ragman,I should have made it clear ... I'm playing the song on Guitar ..
    I'll print those sheets .

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    Where's those sheets ? Where'd they go Ragman ???
    Some issue with copyright maybe ?

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    The OP got what he wanted in a previous post. Mine's redundant.

    That's just what I'm after Mark ... perfect ..
    An intro to the intro .. Chords

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    Scout -

    Oh, you were the OP. Well, my strong advice is don't trust chords on old sheet music, ukulele or not. The guitar fingerings they give you are usually at the open position and are misleading.

    You're welcome to those sheets but they don't have intros. As I said before, if you're stuck for an intro for any song take the last 2 or 4 bars, which usually have a turnaround, and use that. Or the turnaround at the end of the first A section. Some tunes have specified intros and you can usually find them somewhere on the net.

    You'll also find that not all versions are the same... such is the world of sheet music.

    An intro to the intro .. Chords-nsibs-jpgAn intro to the intro .. Chords-nsibs2-jpg

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    PS. Don't try to play it like Joe Cohn, he's a very naughty man. Oh, hang on, that was Cherokee

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    Gosh, it's gone very quiet... beavering away, I expect.

    I couldn't resist the chords but I don't think the nightingale sang much like this. I know Berkeley Square :-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by scout
    Cheers Graham ... here's Rod the Mod singing it ... It's a version I like ..
    I like his collection becasue he almost always sings full versions with intros - often omitted or forgotten...

    I also once owned Billie Holiday Songbook (nothing in relation to Billie really - except that she sang those songs)... and it had those old intros too.

    I

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    Yes,Rod does the full version .... It's taken me ages to commit the intro to memory ... intro 2 that is..
    If it's OK I'll post what I play tomorrow ..
    Thanks everyone ... and a special thanks to you Ragman,

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    Pleasure. Looking forward to hearing what you do

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    Here's the pages that I'm learning from ..
    At the moment Ragman ,it'll have to be me 'showing' what I do .. to let the world 'hear' what I do, would take a degree of bravery on my part :-) .. one fine day however ..
    Anyways ,here the two pages (minus the 'intro to the intro') ..
    Cheers all ...
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