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It is a fact that St Matthew‘s Passion has a growing number of crosses as the action proceeds towards the crucifixion.
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12-24-2020 01:07 PM
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there were 'conventional figures' like 'cross motive' often recognizable by the audience - essentially it is appogiatura ( B-A-C-H is a cross motiv in a very dense chromatic form) and others...
But what is essential in Bach for me (as well as later in Mozart) that he created extremely complex language which is a combination of conventional idioms: like different fixed motives (assending of descenting), chromatis,, mentioned 'cross motive' and many others, genre references (extemely important and often underestimated elkement of language), direct contextual references as recognizebale quotes from chorals or other works, the allusions to his own choral work in his instrumental work ...
and all that is involved into purely MUSICAL language where key changes, modulations, rythm and harmonic shifts, motivic interactions, texture and colour of instruments - above all harmonic movement represented through it all - creates very complex and vivd structure of meanings that creates in turn a convincing feel of truth and reality.
If you wan to become a Christian and you are musically and artistically sensitive there is nothing more convincing than music of Bach - it will make you believe in reality of it more than anything else.
Form me music is not an abstract beauty - it is the beauty of the meanings...
Earlier I used to read books... there was Schweitzer, there was an outstanding Boleslav Yavorsky - Russian muscologist who was one of the first to offer 'decipher' the meanings of Bachs works... and who even made a quite particular Evandelistic references to many of Bach work (with arguments and explanation). He did not make books and his works were published many years later after his death wit hthe help of his students' records.
Some 20 years ago there was also a book byt a late Kedryashev 'Theory of Musical Contents" that covered many of the topics discussed above.
there was a huge topic of my dear friend Boris Yoffe (probably greatest living composer) - covered with a bunch of articles and dicussions as 'Musical semantics' and finally a brilliant book on Bach - not pubished - ABCH... (actually I saw no other book that had so much connection between the meanings and msuic itself without going into scientific theorysization/objectivity - without any references to other books (that he never read) just you and the score and the music and the great language of it.
Nevertheless it is still almost impossible to talk with musicians about meanings of music... it causes often superficial arguments that music has no meaning, that it is pure beauty, that we should not talk about music...
And the quantity of nmeaningless performances grows and grows and - to be honest the further we are the worse it looks to me
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A different take on this.
John
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I really like this approach. It made me think of this (in terms of being a completely different take on Bach):
Originally Posted by johnhall
I also love the low-key playing of Bach in the above vid with the family background noise.
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Have come to the opinion that playing straight 8ths in Bach should be an exception, not the rule
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There are a few problems with this - the main one being the slightly staccato/clipped phrasing at the beginning, oddly enough this is the easiest part, but for some reason I just tend to slip into that kind of phrasing, although not so much when the A section repeats.
I really love this suite and spend hours every day practising it.Last edited by James W; 06-29-2022 at 05:12 PM.
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Well done, that fugue is a bit of a monster to get through in one pass! I have hacked my way through it a few times but that’s all.
Sure you had some hesitations on some of the awkward position changes, and I think the voices should overlap more smoothly at the beginning (as you said), but it’s really a good effort, I’m impressed.
Funnily enough I had a bit of a classical guitar workout today and I played the prelude and allegro (not very fast!) from 998. Skipped the fugue though! Maybe I’ll have a go at it tomorrow.
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Thanks! Yeah, the fugue does need stamina, and I definitely need a solid few more months chipping away at it (years if I want it to be really good). Originally Posted by grahambop
Although the music is difficult, at the same time it still sounds nice even if you're just reading through it, I find. I can't yet play the allegro fast, about quaver = 120 but this young girl plays it at around quaver = 140 and still sounds good, so I'm not too far off!
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I had my first lesson with a new teacher on Saturday. My right-hand technique needs some basic attention to improve finger independence and divest myself of extraneous movement. I need (I'm told) to search for a right-hand position that allows a straight line from the arm to the pinky on the right-hand side of the hand to enable blood-flow between the wrist and the fingers. In the above video you can see I haven't yet managed to adjust to all of these suggestions; and while not perfect, I still think I can play it better than I could do some time ago. But I am going to keep trying to implement my teacher's instructions regarding the right hand.
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Latest attempt:
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Nice one James. That is a big piece!
I did lots of Bach for my exams and probably lost marks because of it as there were easier pieces that I could have done. The challenge is great though.
There's a lady from the Ukraine whom I previously did a duet with. Last night she forwarded about 40 pages of duets including lots of Bach. We will start with the minuets and work our way through.
Bach was so ahead of his time. Just from the pieces that I looked at last night one was in 9/16 time and I saw several instances of backcycling. Five of five.
Bach the jazz cat
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Yes - I find Bach can be quite tantalising in that it doesn't take a great deal of effort to get it sounding ok-ish, but the more you play it paradoxically the deeper the realisation of the technical complexities involved and the amount of work necessary to overcome them!
What pieces/exams did you do if you don't mind me asking, Liarspoker?
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This guy kills me:
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I can't remember all of them but I know that I did the Bouree in Em, the 995 Gavotte. I remember doing a Sarabande, the 997 I think. Originally Posted by James W
I also practised a few Bach pieces to see if I would do them for the exam and these included the 1006 Bouree and the Gigue found at Trinity grade 7 level. Can't remember where that one came from.
Then of course the Bach pieces payed for fun.
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Raphael is great - but have you heard Sean Shibe?
(though they could've gone easy on the reverb)
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Originally Posted by Tomcat
Bach..it is music of the gods..It takes me to a place of wonder..joy..and beauty..some of his work bring tears
if he were alive today..and played guitar.(electric) in a band..how would he be accepted ..jazz..fusion..progressive rock
or something else..a new category.. i would hope--beyond classification
all the theory and analysis would be useless-not necessary..who cares what notes he is playing in bar 26..it is just a spirit letting you see its majesty and lightness of being
in a world seemingly gone mad..here is a cure that only requires your full attention and let your defenses rest..here you need not be a believer
let the press and media be banned..this is not a news cycle event or an artist display of talent
it is peace and the beauty of silence hidden between the notes
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Yes, it's this Bach Prelude yet again.
But this time by comparison with previous videos of mine is free of mistakes - not 100%, but where it counts, mostly.
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Can someone explain where the transcription of the lute suites in original keys are found . Everything I find is arranged for guitar. I know the history a bit , but honestly don’t find a book for Lute Suites , like you do with The Chorales or The Well Tempered Clavier.
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A request for Mr MacKillop? Originally Posted by Chad26
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Did someone mention my name?
Setting aside why it would be slightly mad to play Bach’s lute music in its original keys - something even Bach didn’t contemplate - here are some things
Well, you can get the Gm suite in its original form here: Suite in G minor, BWV 995 (Bach, Johann Sebastian) - IMSLP: Free Sheet Music PDF Download - the version from the Belgian Royal Library.
Cm prelude: Prelude in C minor, BWV 999 (Bach, Johann Sebastian) - IMSLP: Free Sheet Music PDF Download
PFA: Prelude, Fugue and Allegro in E-flat major, BWV 998 (Bach, Johann Sebastian) - IMSLP: Free Sheet Music PDF Download
IV lute Suite: https://s9.imslp.org/files/imglnks/u..._autograph.pdf
That lot took me five minutes to find. I’ll let you do the rest.
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This features facsimiles of the original manuscripts - Originally Posted by Chad26
Bach Solo Lute Works for Guitar : Frank Koonce, Johann Sebastian Bach: Amazon.co.uk: Books
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There’s a Bach Digital site which has facsimiles:
Bach digital - Start
E.g. enter Bwv 995, follow the link for object found (Suite in g for lute), then click on Original Sources (Score).
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thanks . Originally Posted by James W
You inspired me on that 998. I guess it’s originally E flat . Really wanted to start digging in a bit. What you are doing learning the real beautiful guitar stuff is way better. Having a teacher and all. I’m sure my fingerings would drive a teacher nuts , but I am almost 60. It will be a very long process this 998 . Does anyone know the name of The British guy who recorded complete Lute suite on 7 string. ? His own arrangements if I remember . Probably does original keys.
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Bach’s lute music was written on/for the lautenwerck - a gut string harpsichord, not the lute, so if you want to play the original, need to up your keyboard chops
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yes i was aware it was written for a specific keyboard . I Read that original score or early transcription would be grand staff . So I guess I just wondered where the sheet would be for BWV 998 in e flat maj, grand staff . I did get into the prelude a bit tonight and its not super hard. No I won’t ever have chops for the whole thing probably . I do play guitar and keyboard a lot . Started keyboard super late in life . Love the struggle though . Great joy….thanks for reply . I will check out the vid. Originally Posted by BWV;[URL="tel:1234434"
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