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Security as opposed to what?
Originally Posted by RJVB
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05-04-2022 11:01 AM
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Thus no 'requirement' was bypassed. Good to see that you can play. Have fun. Originally Posted by Jonathan0996
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I doubt he has ever even worked for a corporation in the USA. Anyhow, few of those were 'rights' granted by previous governments. Originally Posted by ragman1
They are instead company polices that the vast majority of USA corporations have adopted. Also in most companies one is not fired for doing most of those things. I.e. if someone does complain the first time or two the offender is given a warning.
This is just over-the-top fear mongering by men that can't get a date.
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Playing is better than squabbling. Originally Posted by jameslovestal;[URL="tel:1196057"
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In the workplace:
1. cannot compliment a woman on what she's wearing
Sure you can. But don't be a creep. "I love those earrings" is fine, if you love those earrings. "I love the way you look in that dress" is creepy and weird.
2. cannot touch a woman ever-- even inoffensively
Why am I touching anyone I work with, outside of a handshake?
3. cannot tell jokes that ANYONE could consider offensive
It's work.
4. cannot yell at co-workers in anger
Praise in public, criticize in private. Yelling at people while others are around reflects poorly on your management skills.
5. refer to a person by their race ie.) the Black girl that works in "Editing."
People have names.
6. asking a woman if she's pregnant
That's never been a good idea.
7. yelling at an employee in front of other workers
Already mentioned
8. joking or making reference to someone's age, height, weight, hair color, etc.
Again, this was never a good idea.
9. standing too close to a person
Again, why?
10. casually asking someone about their personal life
Sure you can: What are you doing with the three day weekend? Do your kids play baseball? I'm stuck for ideas, what did you get your wife for Mother's Day?
Just not: "How long have you and your boyfriend been together? Is it serious?" because again, that's creepy.
11. negatively challenging every remark a person makes
If you feel the need to negatively challenge EVERY remark a person makes, clearly you have a personal issue with them that you either need to work out or take to HR so you're not required to work with them on important stuff.
12. talk/argue about politics
Again, this is WORK. When has that ever been a good idea?
13. express hatred/dislike for a boss or fellow employee to another person etc, etc.
Sure you can, if you trust the person. Backstabbing in the workplace isn't an invention of 2022.
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Sheez… I regret having set in motion all this political debate and vitriol. I hope I didn’t violate any forum rules in the course of all this, but if the moderators want to delete this thread I wouldn’t squawk about it.
Have a great day everyone. All’s well that ends well.
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:-) Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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I don't think that's the question (and M's post had a "whether right or wrong" disclaimer in it). However, suggesting that people who complain about new rules might be those against whom those new rules supposedly protect is nothing but bullying IMHO, and an age-old weapon in making sure said rules get accepted. Originally Posted by ragman1
"I've got nothing to hide, so by all means, let my government track my every step and action". Nope, doesn't work that way.
Reminds me, I think someone tried to imply that I might be "pro-life", so against abortion. I actually don't care if someone things that, but the opposite is true (does "pro-death" exist?).
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Anyone over 50 who lives in the USA (particularly here in California) who doesn't think we have lost many freedoms over the last 50 years simply hasn't been paying attention or doesn't care (and not caring is the real reason these freedoms have been lost).
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There's no vitriol. We're having fun. No squawking in the workplace. Originally Posted by Jonathan0996
or running in the corridors,
pulling little girl's pigtails,
arguing with policemen,
or calling Donald Trump a dork
unless you really want to. Which I do
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I am pro-death. I have no problem with the death penalty (so long as it is applied fairly) and abortion on demand. IMO, there are too many humans on the planet and overpopulation is the root cause of most of our problems (war, climate change etc.). Originally Posted by RJVB
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Oh, I'm all for pro-death :-) Originally Posted by RJVB
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I don't think I've ever had to assert my 'rights'. Except once.
I was looking for a new pair of shoes and saw some in a shop. So I asked them to put them aside for me. They asked me for a deposit, which I gave them.
Unfortunately, down the street, I found just the pair I wanted, and bought them. So I went back to the first shop, apologised profusely, and asked for my deposit back.
They refused. Completely.
Well, it doesn't take a genius to see what's wrong with that so I beetled off to the public library, looked up my consumer rights and printed out the relevant bit. Went back to the shop and waved it at them.
The guy looked angry but handed back the deposit. Job done.
So rights are good, and appropriate assertion of rights is good. It's what they're for.
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So seriously, not trying to be a shitstarter...what are they? Originally Posted by Stringswinger
I mean...also in the last 50 years 18 year olds can vote and people can't be forced into military service, Gay rights/marriage, Disabled persons rights, that Roe v. Wade thing apparently some backwards thinking wants to get rid of...and now marijuana is legal almost everywhere. Equal pay, civil rights act, voter supression act are all just over 50 years ago...
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Apparently this is a place where people prefer to argue instead of practicing the guitar. Originally Posted by Jonathan0996
Do not worry
All The Best
kris
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The seller should tell you that if you do not buy the shoes within the specified time, the deposit will be forfeited. Originally Posted by ragman1
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Back in the 80's, I could ride my motorcycle to my nightclub helmetless (cam't do that today) and sell my handgun to my business partner (can't do that today). I could rent my home out for a year and move back in without having to give my tenants thousands of dollars in move out money (can't do that today). And speaking of my motorcycle, I could modify the carb and exhaust to get the best possible performance (can't do that today). I could compliment my cocktail waitresses on how nice they looked (can't do that today). I could put whatever windows I wanted on my house here in San Francisco (can't do that today). I could pay workmen who worked on my properties more than $600 without having to file a 1099 form on them (can't do that today). I could buy an AR-15 to defend my home if I was so inclined (can't do that today). I could get on an airplane without having a government agent looking at me naked (can't do that today). There is much more, but this is just stuff off the top of my head (like the motorcycle helmet that I resent having to wear). Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Perhaps some think those freedoms were unimportant. Not me (and if you want to look at me naked, at least buy me dinner first).
Regarding pot, Gay marriage and abortion; I am glad we have moved forward with those freedoms and am sorry about the backward movement on the abortion issue (people who have religious views should not be able to codify those views into law, IMO).
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+++ Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Death penalty is tricky (esp. when combined with "common sense of the common man" juries IMHO) but yeah, abortion more or less when you want (to be defined...), right to euthanasia and suicide (or rather, the right to fail to commit it
). All boils down to prioritising quality of life over life itself.
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When I remembered you were in CA I started thinking, "I bet these are gun and environment related Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Back in the 80's, I could ride my motorcycle to my nightclub helmetless (cam't do that today) and sell my handgun to my business partner (can't do that today). I could rent my home out for a year and move back in without having to give my tenants thousands of dollars in move out money (can't do that today). And speaking of my motorcycle, I could modify the carb and exhaust to get the best possible performance (can't do that today). I could compliment my cocktail waitresses on how nice they looked (can't do that today). I could put whatever windows I wanted on my house here in San Francisco (can't do that today). I could pay workmen who worked on my properties more than $600 without having to file a 1099 form on them (can't do that today). I could buy an AR-15 to defend my home if I was so inclined (can't do that today). I could get on an airplane without having a government agent looking at me naked (can't do that today). There is much more, but this is just stuff off the top of my head (like the motorcycle helmet that I resent having to wear).
Perhaps some think those freedoms were unimportant. Not me (and if you want to look at me naked, at least buy me dinner first).
Regarding pot, Gay marriage and abortion; I am glad we have moved forward with those freedoms and am sorry about the backward movement on the abortion issue (people who have religious views should not be able to codify those views into law, IMO).
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Talk to me about the AR-15's though...I remember reading somewhere that you CAN buy an AR-15 in CA, but it's like a watered down version equivalent to a regular handgun?
Which I thought was interesting because the argument often made by those who like AR's is that they're not more dangerous than a handgun and they're basically just a semi-automatic pistol dressed up to look like a military weapon...
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Arguing is as easy as falling off a log. Originally Posted by kris
Apparently this is a place where people prefer to argue instead of practicing the guitar.
Do not worry
All The Best
kris
Practicing, on the other hand, is more challenging, if it's done right.
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I can't speak to the AR-15. They are not my cup of tea. When it comes to firearms, I like revolvers and lever action rifles. Just like when it comes to guitars, I like archtops, Gypsy guitars, Les Pauls and Strats. I am an old school kind of guy. Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
When I remembered you were in CA I started thinking, "I bet these are gun and environment related"
Talk to me about the AR-15's though...I remember reading somewhere that you CAN buy an AR-15 in CA, but it's like a watered down version equivalent to a regular handgun?
Which I thought was interesting because the argument often made by those who like AR's is that they're not more dangerous than a handgun and they're basically just a semi-automatic pistol dressed up to look like a military weapon...
I do miss riding my motorcycle helmetless and I am glad that I no longer have any employees. I like to flirt. When a female looks good, I tell her so. If that makes me a sexist, White privileged male, so be it. The culture may change, but I don't plan to change myself. And anybody who has a big problem with that can pound salt.
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Originally Posted by Jonathan0996
Too late!
Lol, I would not worry. It has been an interesting debate, showing the old adage that we surely don't all think the same. I think most here are happy that you had a good outcome. May you continue to have a nice outcomes.
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I really don't think flirting has been outlawed... Originally Posted by Stringswinger
There's just some dudes out there who don't know the fine line between cute and creepy. You know you've seen it--we all have.
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FWIW, I'm with Mr Beaumont here about 97.4%. I don't have time to write long posts right now, but I do think that before anyone writes long-assed, convoluted dissertations on non-music related stuff they should first have posted some of their artistic product, preferably in video form, with them actually playing music on the guitar. Otherwise, wth?
Last edited by Peter C; 05-04-2022 at 06:50 PM.
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Video? Nope. Not my generation. I'm a performer. Originally Posted by Peter C
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