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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
    Exactly. It doesn't really matter anymore, the vibe is grump, find a video blogger you want to trash and go to town. Right now Beato is getting beato-up, ouch.
    If you're looking for excitement for any person born after 1960 then you've come to the wrong place

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  3. #102

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    If you're looking for excitement for any person born after 1960 then you've come to the wrong place
    Please don’t revise your estimate downwards again or I will have to start looking elsewhere for my daily excitement.

  4. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    Please don’t revise your estimate downwards again or I will have to start looking elsewhere for my daily excitement.

    LOL .. I won't ... tho you probably could



  5. #104

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    If you're looking for excitement for any person born after 1960 then you've come to the wrong place
    Damn, too old for rocknroll, too young to die, I thought I found the place to get my kicks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
    Damn, too old for rocknroll, too young to die, I thought I found the place to get my kicks!
    Meh .. Anyone that plays a lake placid blue tele is alright in my book

  7. #106

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77

    TBF to all those including myself that do post videos like this, it is very hard to get the same interest in original music that you do in covering someone else’s especially if it is a technically impressive feat.
    eff original music. dig this.


  8. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    eff original music. dig this.

    As great and impressive as this is, it probably only confirms Christian's point. Play something well known and/or technically impressive and you know you get people's attention much sooner than if you dare to post an original.

  9. #108

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
    As great and impressive as this is, it probably only confirms Christian's point. Play something well known and/or technically impressive and you know you get people's attention much sooner than if you dare to post an original.
    3800 views in 18 months is not exactly getting "people's attention".

    but i do get the point. it's been that way long before the internet. originals are hard to sell in jazz.

  10. #109

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    3800 views in 18 months is not exactly getting "people's attention".

    but i do get the point. it's been that way long before the internet. originals are hard to sell in jazz.
    Yea, she's really good. 'I thought I had developed decent skills to play jazz, but I can't touch this' kind of good.

  11. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
    As great and impressive as this is, it probably only confirms Christian's point. Play something well known and/or technically impressive and you know you get people's attention much sooner than if you dare to post an original.
    “Do you ever get tired of music that sounds like music?”

    Nah it’s great tbf, I can’t do that lol.

    Its very Instagram; it’s full of that stuff, kids doing unreal stuff...

    recreation of past glories seems the thing now for many young players; be it Holdsworth or Bud Powell. Kids are looking for something; real? Authentic? Traditional? Nobody seemed to give a shit about Barry Harris 15 years ago; now he’s a YouTube star. He’s a meme for crying out loud!!

    Jazz becomes classical music. Pasquale Grasso is the new thing, and as impressed as I am, that’s what it is.

    All that said; I’d be interested to hear it without the Hampton track behind.

  12. #111

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    3800 views in 18 months is not exactly getting "people's attention".

    but i do get the point. it's been that way long before the internet. originals are hard to sell in jazz.
    In London seems like it’s either; so and so band play this classic album, or it’s contemporary originals. Not much room for creative originals in the straightahead vein, or standards played in a contemporary way.

  13. #112

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77

    All that said; I’d be interested to hear it without the Hampton track behind.
    Listen to her other videos, she's for realz. Even more impressive for me that she plays tradish jazz and not a trace of Gypsy picking or anything like that. Very much alternate picking and sounds great! That's how I always wanted to pick but no, I can't match her speed and precision. But it's nice to see there is other way.

  14. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
    Listen to her other videos, she's for realz. Even more impressive for me that she plays tradish jazz and not a trace of Gypsy picking or anything like that. Very much alternate picking and sounds great! That's how I always wanted to pick but no, I can't match her speed and precision. But it's nice to see there is other way.
    I took my comment down because I thought it came across a bit arsehole-y.

    What I wanted to indicate is that thing sort of exists in a bubble of its own. With COVID the bubble is more or less the thing.

    The online world is very important now and shapes music to its own agenda. The ‘super impressive transcription video’ for instance whether I like it loathe it, is firmly established as a thing budding musicians do, and out-do so to speak.

    Anyway what are young players for if not to shred the crap out of their instruments?

  15. #114

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    I took my comment down because I thought it came across a bit arsehole-y.

    What I wanted to indicate is that thing sort of exists in a bubble of its own. With COVID the bubble is more or less the thing.

    The online world is very important now and shapes music to its own agenda. The ‘super impressive transcription video’ for instance whether I like it loathe it, is firmly established as a thing budding musicians do, and out-do so to speak.

    Anyway what are young players for if not to shred the crap out of their instruments?
    Yea, you are right, those transcription 'play along' videos are annoying as hell, I tend to ignore them. But I thought her technique on old archtop was awesome, I dont recall many guitarists playing like that, so checked her other stuff. I dig it, if only because she doesn't try to sound like anyone in particular.

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    I see a lot of similar videos nowdays, another unique youtube music trend! Here's one of mine, hopefully it stays unlisted..

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    [QUOTE=Alter;1083489]I see a lot of similar videos nowdays, another unique youtube music trend! Here's one of mine, hopefully it stays unlisted..
    [/QUOTE

    LOL! That is funny! I needed that laugh!

  18. #117

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    Whenever I start trying to play fast it ends up sounding like the "Woody Woodpecker" theme song.

  19. #118

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    Whenever I start trying to play fast it ends up sounding like the "Woody Woodpecker" theme song.
    not a bad thing per se


  20. #119

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    It is not all about men in shorts.


  21. #120

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    I see a lot of similar videos nowdays, another unique youtube music trend! Here's one of mine, hopefully it stays unlisted..
    Nice playing, although I heard a couple of wrong notes in the 97th chorus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    I see a lot of similar videos nowdays, another unique youtube music trend! Here's one of mine, hopefully it stays unlisted..
    At 0.25 x speed it sounds like Miles, only better.

  23. #122

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    Nice playing, although I heard a couple of wrong notes in the 97th chorus.
    Those aren't "wrong" notes. They are "tension" or "rub" notes. I use them rather liberally.

  24. #123

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    eff original music. dig this.

    This for me falls into the 'to good to be true' box. I imagine the temptation to speed up the video a little or a lot is too much for many of those that do this kind of thing. I'm open to the possibility that this wasn't sped up, but imo more likely than not, it was. Who has every seen anyone live do this?

  25. #124

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    This for me falls into the 'to good to be true' box. I imagine the temptation to speed up the video a little or a lot is too much for many of those that do this kind of thing. I'm open to the possibility that this wasn't sped up, but imo more likely than not, it was. Who has every seen anyone live do this?

    oh, man, this place sometimes....

  26. #125

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    yes, it is rather obvious that she does not respect the music, is too lazy to put in the hours, and is willing to cheat for the youtube clicks.

    iN otHeR worDs yoU aRe a moRoN
    Wow.

  27. #126

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    This for me falls into the 'to good to be true' box. I imagine the temptation to speed up the video a little or a lot is too much for many of those that do this kind of thing. I'm open to the possibility that this wasn't sped up, but imo more likely than not, it was. Who has every seen anyone live do this?
    It would get old in 15 minutes. That's why you don't see it live.

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    She is clearly a talent...


  29. #128

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    I’d second Hep’s advice to go check out her playing generally. I like it.

  30. #129

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    I’d second Hep’s advice to go check out her playing generally. I like it.
    That is what I'm doing, and enjoying her playing.

  31. #130

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    Wow.
    i deleted my post literally after 10 seconds. it's true though. i mean, seriously, what is wrong with you, making such a total bullshit accusation.

  32. #131

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    Who has every seen anyone live do this?
    and yes, stuff like this has been played live for crying out loud.




  33. #132

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    This for me falls into the 'to good to be true' box. I imagine the temptation to speed up the video a little or a lot is too much for many of those that do this kind of thing. I'm open to the possibility that this wasn't sped up, but imo more likely than not, it was. Who has every seen anyone live do this?
    This might have been sped a little but I see younger musicians this fast all the time and it's definitely not sped up. It's evolution. It used to be called showing off at least in classical.

  34. #133

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    and yes, stuff like this has been played live for crying out loud.



    Funny, I was planning to post one of Wim den Herder’s videos as a reply too but you were ahead of me.

    There are many mind blowing renditions of guys playing over classic jazz solos on the internet.

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  35. #134

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    Is this a thing now? Playing along to a recorded solo for an audience?
    It's fine by me. No show business is bad show business.

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    Give her credit she’s up in Tal territory.
    Or do you think his were speeded up?

  37. #136

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    This for me falls into the 'to good to be true' box. I imagine the temptation to speed up the video a little or a lot is too much for many of those that do this kind of thing. I'm open to the possibility that this wasn't sped up, but imo more likely than not, it was. Who has every seen anyone live do this?
    Is she, by chance, Benson Picking? I seem to see a lot of the faster players using this technique.

  38. #137

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    This for me falls into the 'to good to be true' box. I imagine the temptation to speed up the video a little or a lot is too much for many of those that do this kind of thing. I'm open to the possibility that this wasn't sped up, but imo more likely than not, it was. Who has every seen anyone live do this?
    The track she is playing to is readily available




    So the theory is the she speed that down, played to it at a slower tempo and then sped the whole thing up again?

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    I did say:

    "I'm open to the possibility that this wasn't sped up"

    Jeez, this is not life and death. Why the personal ad hominess attack, why so upset that someone said something you don't agree with on the internet?

    It's possible she is as fast or faster than Benson, as clean as Benson, while playing more difficult lines, while flying under the radar. It's possible.

    And as I listen more, as I've said, I like what she plays. And believe she's for real. Hopefully she'd be flattered, her technique is so good that some think, how is that possible. I saw what was posted of the live playing by the other guy, amazing but not as amazing as what she did though. imo.

    I use to think Martino and Benson where the pinnacle of fast clean interesting playing.
    Last edited by fep; 12-18-2020 at 09:32 PM.

  40. #139

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    I use to think Martino and Benson where the pinnacle of fast clean interesting playing.
    The kids these days are technically amazing .. I still like Martino tho

    And the speeding stuff up thing .. I was actually a huge discussion earlier this year among the shredders, but this girl seems like the real deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlsoRan
    Is she, by chance, Benson Picking? I seem to see a lot of the faster players using this technique.
    Not at all. It's her own variation of alternate picking. It's not some codified method I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
    Not at all. It's her own variation of alternate picking. It's not some codified method I think.
    It looked like that pick was angled pointing at a diagonal to the strings. I could be wrong.

    I am always envious of folks who use this technique and wish I would have learned the guitar this way, sometimes.

  43. #142

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    To make good video in aristic way it is a hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    I did say:

    "I'm open to the possibility that this wasn't sped up"
    yes, you were "open" to the "possibility" that she is no fraud who cheats fellow musicians on the internet. but you also stated that it is "more likely" that she cheats.
    Last edited by djg; 12-19-2020 at 06:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    I use to think Martino and Benson where the pinnacle of fast clean interesting playing.
    These men are both in their late 70s. You must have missed the last decades with contemporary players such as Frank Gambale, Ulf Wakenius, Bireli Lagrene, Andreas Oberg, Jesse van Ruller, Martijn van Iterson, Eddy Palermo, Matteo Mancuso etc. etc. These guys are just as fast.

    Wim den Herder is a countryman of mine who is able to play Oscar Peterson solos in unison before a live audience. He is not a name player even. But he is way faster than anything you hear in (wonderful) vid by Eleanora. In fact I think that this is the fastest playing on guitar ever recorded (correct me if I am wrong). Sure, you can question that and say how much you hate it and bores you but it remains an impressive physical feat that nobody on this here forum will ever duplicate.

    DB

    P.s. The notion that a serious and schooled musician as Elonora would do an amateur thing like speeding up her vids is ... well ... preposterous. Pros do not think like that.

    Here is Oscar Peterson's solo on "Just Friends" from "Live in Russia" played on guitar over the real track. The chorus effect you hear is the unisono with Oscar. He has played this solo live on stage too. Not sped up. He was just a kid when he recorded this.

    Last edited by Dutchbopper; 12-19-2020 at 07:14 AM.

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    I would say that’s a highly entertaining troll from fep but it appears to have been an earnest comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    I would say that’s a highly entertaining troll from fep but it appears to have been an earnest comment.
    Well ... We went for his throat immediately, so all is as should be


    But I get it .. Video rocked his world and he posted what came to mind without thinking too much about it

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    Some people can play really fast, get over it? :-)

    Speaking of Mancuso, I really like his nylon string playing. Reminds me of Ralph Towner.

    It’s impressive to me when these virtuosos have depth to them, as with Eleonora. We aren’t talking about circus tricks ...

    there’s another guy on Instagram, turbo bop player but legit. I’ll dig out the name.

    There’s other guys like Hristo Vitchev who posts amazing stuff, but I don’t really if there’s a musical context,
    and it’s all presented as a lesson. On Instagram it’s one minute of amazing ness. (Plus there’s been nothing for a lot of them to do apart from practice and transcribe for a year....) sooo the technical bar is stupid now.
    Last edited by christianm77; 12-19-2020 at 09:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
    These men are both in their late 70s. You must have missed the last decades with contemporary players such as Frank Gambale, Ulf Wakenius, Bireli Lagrene, Andreas Oberg, Jesse van Ruller, Martijn van Iterson, Eddy Palermo, Matteo Mancuso etc. etc. These guys are just as fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    Thats the fella!

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    (TBF there’s also a lot of kids on Insta who think they are the love child of John Mayer and Isiah Sharkey...)