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Originally Posted by pauln
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06-06-2019 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Straining to get the notes out.
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Graham, you beat me to it! He's been doing that since he took a solo with Simon and Garfunkel at the Central Park Concert in the 70s.
He's a smart dude; he knows people listen with their eyes.
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Nah, he's doing that look because he's secretly jamming to Kenny G in his head.
I can't escape this man, no matter how hard I try
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Chick Corea talks about the importance of sightlines on the bandstand - 25.40 if you can't wait,
01: Inside Chick's CD: The Making of the Vigil with Tim Garland [Podcast] - Chick Corea Music Workshops
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Originally Posted by Irez87
Jim Hall also complained about PM doing that to such an extent on the album he made with PM, that he couldn't even listen to it again, because PM had turned it into some type of "Frankenstein's Monster" by doing all his "little fixes".
I could say more, but I'd probably have to kill you!
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Pat gets off telling every new guitar player (except for Grasso) sounds like him. His whole diatribe against Kenny G was beyond obnoxious--I don't like Kenny G either--but, grow up! I just don't like him.
Whatever, one persons hate for Pat Metheny won't hurt him any! Just don't ever compare my sound to his (cue everyone on the forum telling me that I sound like Pat Metheny)
And even as someone who wears his hair a little long, I gotta say, cut your hair, Pat! What happened to class? Look at George Benson, class!
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While PM is not my fav player by far, i dont buy his albums (except the one he did with Sco- that was awesome!), or go to his shows etc, I still would prefer him to most modern post Rosenwinkle players. At least he has some rocknroll in him, and not nearly as nerdy. Go Pat, make those faces!
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I prefer Pat as a sideman.
I went to see the PMG about 15 years ago. I found it quite boring, everyone else in the audience was absolutely loving it. I came to the conclusion then that I don't really like PMG.
Kurt is really great. Most of his imitators are talented guitar operators, but Kurt has a vibe.
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Kurt is the Boss of academic jazz, he started it. He sure has a vibe, just not the right kind for me.
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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I'd still see Kurt over Pat--and Pat would definitely say that Kurt is copying him.
Meh, whatever.
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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I've never been the biggest fan of Kurt's tone--it's important to get granular with what you like and don't like in the musicians you listen to--but his melodic and harmonic concepts are very interesting to me. If academic means stilted, than I think that's wrong. I really like how Kurt applies George Van Eps's concepts into his own harmonic voice--that's what I am trying to do--it's HARD!
Kurt's big band stuff is very exciting as well.
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When I say academic, i mean their music is removed from the 'street' as far as possible. Jazz was born on the streets (of New Orleans) and my fav players, I can still hear the connection. That or the blues/rocknroll. My fav guitarists, from Charlie Christian to Sco, I can hear it. Sco's biggest influence is BB King. 'Nough said.
Starting from Kurt, I can't hear it anymore. Sophisticated harmony is not a big deal to me. I wanna party.
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I meant how Kurt voices his "chord movement"
Hep, you should watch the Fareed livestream I posted on the Ear Training Journal--you'd REALLY dig it. Everyone keeps asking Fareed "what scale do you use here, what scale do you use there?" Fareed says something like "our favorite jazz musicians knew how to take a blues scale, add some chromaticism, and make music with it". Then he starts to talk about his Chicago influences. He's a party player through and through.
Also, Hep--you'd get a kick out of this--I went to another jam session last night. It was a mix of young and old. One of the older bass players kept talking about how everyone sounds like they came from Berklee. I ask him if he can tell the difference between East and West, and he said it all sounds the same. I played a couple of tunes and he pats my back, smiles, and says "You sound very New York!"
I guess I'm actually making progress with my playing
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Cool Irez, I'll check it out!
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Originally Posted by Irez87
Interesting that some posters are complaining Kurt is a bit cerebral/bloodless because that's exactly my problem with Pat. His skills are undeniable but they don't translate into music I particularly want to hear.
Rosenwinkel on the other hand is one of my favourite players and the one time I saw him live was mind blowing, among the best concerts I've seen in any genre.
As people my impressions of both are pretty negative tbh but in terms of the depth of my response to the music Kurt is on a different level so the differences seem to be mattering more to me than the similarities. All one man's subjective response of course.
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This video, Irez? Yea, thanks for hipping me up to Fareed, that's a player I can listen and learn from!
Funny, his name doesn't come up often. It should!
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I had a gig with one of Kurt protege's once. He was subbing for one of the regulars. What was supposed to be an easy-peasy trio brunch gig turned into quite torturous 3 hours for me. Bass and two guitars, all standards (the owner loves blues, so that what we are set out to play a lot), what can go wrong? Let's just say that the concept of simple jazz rhythm guitar or blues shuffle was pretty much lost on him. His lines were beautiful though, I could tell that's what he spent his most time practicing. Very smooth and clever, nice dreamy tone... just like his hero. Ask to play ala Freddie Green or lay down solid blues groove- lost in the water!
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Yeah I always find that odd. I mean have they not listened to Jim Hall? He’s a dab hand at rhythm stuff.
I think they just think it’s not hip. Whereas actually not playing the gig is not hip.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
RIP Nick Gravenites
Today, 05:48 PM in The Players