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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    As Joe Pass said, of pianists, "He has 10 fingers, 88 keys, and he's bigger than you."

    Pianists illustrate the axiom that "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." No musician has a harder time with "less as more" than pianists.
    Yes, that wisdom from Joe (in which one of his videos?), if not Acton, came to mind that evening ... Alas, I evidently did not accomplish, despite my best intentions, what Joe suggested in his Chord Encounters: "Consider the fact that he has 88 keys and 10 fingers. After you know, more or less, what his harmonic design is, then build your chord voicings on top of his, using the top 3 or 4 strings." I'm happy to have had the good fortune to have played with more forgiving pianists and ones with whom I've been able to establish a better dynamic.

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    Here we go, I can't hang at 305, so here's this for laughs. Got vibed by my kid (same Lil guy from first video, 5 years later...yikes!)

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    Altreet then ... here's my Green Dolphin Street. Dang, I look pissed off in this. I blame Joe 2758.



    I'll probably skip Cherokee (definitely not gonna try it at 305 BPM).

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by John A. View Post
    Altreet then ... here's my Green Dolphin Street. Dang, I look pissed off in this. I blame Joe 2758.



    I'll probably skip Cherokee (definitely not gonna try it at 305 BPM).

    John
    I genuinely enjoyed that. I loved your tone, your lines, the whole thing was just wonderful. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    I genuinely enjoyed that. I loved your tone, your lines, the whole thing was just wonderful. Thanks!
    Thanks very much, Lawson.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar View Post
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    Here's my shot at GDS.

    I couldn't play Cherokee at that tempo.
    Cool stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John A. View Post
    Altreet then ... here's my Green Dolphin Street. Dang, I look pissed off in this. I blame Joe 2758.



    I'll probably skip Cherokee (definitely not gonna try it at 305 BPM).

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    Here we go, I can't hang at 305, so here's this for laughs. Got vibed by my kid (same Lil guy from first video, 5 years later...yikes!)

    That was some impressive grace under attack from wild beasts. You hung in pretty well, I thought.

    John
    Last edited by John A.; 11-23-2018 at 11:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by don_oz View Post
    Nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John A. View Post
    Nice!

    John
    Likewise! It was fun hearing you play

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    k i think we just need donnie ozmond on cherokee and graham on gds then i can start the threads
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    When I lose, can we just measure the size of our


    Offspring? Seriously, these kids are friggin' huge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    When I lose, can we just measure the size of our


    Offspring? Seriously, these kids are friggin' huge.
    Anybody who can improvise at tempo with little kids all around will be fine in any bar or club. Amazing!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    Here we go, I can't hang at 305, so here's this for laughs. Got vibed by my kid (same Lil guy from first video, 5 years later...yikes!)

    I see what you done there! The only thing is missing little kitties snuggle around, then the cuteness factor would be through the roof.

    Joking. Sounds good man, well done!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    Here we go, I can't hang at 305, so here's this for laughs. Got vibed by my kid (same Lil guy from first video, 5 years later...yikes!)

    I dunno about "Cherokee," but I know a happy, healthy kid when I see one. Well done, Sir, well done!
    Best regards, k

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    very nice .. the only fast tempo jazz i like is Django gypsy style.....more is less then lol..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive View Post
    I see what you done there! The only thing is missing little kitties snuggle around, then the cuteness factor would be through the roof.

    Joking. Sounds good man, well done!

    Throw in a cute pet and Mr. B. wins. Game over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe2758 View Post
    k i think we just need donnie ozmond on cherokee and graham on gds then i can start the threads
    it’s ok don’t worry about me. I can play that GDS, it’s only about 200. But I wouldn’t play it any better than John or Oz really.

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    osmond you still working on cherokee or should i make the thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe2758 View Post
    osmond you still working on cherokee or should i make the thread
    Wont be able to post anytime soon! Go ahead without me

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    Throw in a cute pet and Mr. B. wins. Game over.
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    I have not directly run into cutting per say but I have run into guitar players who have egos. A few were pretty amazing players but the problem was they wanted you to know it and how well they played in comparison to you. I would love to name some names but will refrain. I am particularly thinking of one who is an incredible player and known amoung many, he came accross as a prima donna and a know it all.

    Most great players do not have to do this but there are a few that are insecure. They can play but they do not want you to be able to.
    specializing in repair and setup, does your guitar play like it should?

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    Cutting is a vestige of bygone jazz culture, like the beret, zoot suit, horn rimmed glasses, cigarette holder- it should really go away. It seems like "vibing" is the passive-aggressive replacement.

    Jazz is in a precarious spot- it's not popular enough to alienate even more people with that behavior.

    There's a jam session near me, it's well run and has a good rhythm section, but I don't go very often. It's hit-or-miss, sometimes crowded with guitar players, lucky if I get to play 1 or 2 tunes, sometimes kids who don't know many tunes, or visiting pros, like I played with Richie Cole one time. There's an "in crowd" of guys who show up and get most of the time.

    Contrast that to a local bluegrass jam - everybody plays, gets a solo if they want, very friendly supportive environment. It's not really "my jam", musically, but I went a few times and found it welcoming, low stress, fun, and I learned some things. Maybe not a fair comparison, but the jazz world would do well to encourage people.

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    I perform mostly solo - I am very careful not to cut myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtfree View Post
    I perform mostly solo - I am very careful not to cut myself.
    Yea you gotta watch it- your right hand might start cutting the left and vise versa .

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon View Post
    "Just remember, it takes 2 great guitar players to sound like 1 very ordinary piano player"
    -Barney Kessel
    Barry Harris believes that guitarist can do everything pianists can do and perhaps even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    Barry Harris believes that guitarist can do everything pianists can do and perhaps even more.
    Does Mr Harris play guitar much ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu View Post
    Does Mr Harris play guitar much ?
    Probably not. Though he can play the piano a little I think and he tutored guitar virtuoso's like Pasquale Grasso from a young age and god knows who else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    Probably not. Though he can play the piano a little I think and he tutored guitar virtuoso's like Pasquale Grasso from a young age and god knows who else.
    No disrespect at all intended here

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu View Post
    No disrespect at all intended here
    Sure, I didn't take it to be disrespectful. I'm not a Barry Harris - freak BTW, It was just interesting to hear him say that. Given that he had a lot of experience with guitarists, he is certainly a credible person to make that comparison.
    Mind you he doesn't like the big chords that some pianist play. Those are the chords that would be impossible on the guitar. Still I'm sure there is a bit of exaggeration in that statement. Although it's obviously true that there are many expressive things that guitarist can do that would be impossible on the piano.
    Last edited by Tal_175; 05-02-2019 at 08:44 AM.

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    Have you ever heard such and such guitarist sounds like a piano player? Yes. Have you ever heard such and such piano player sounds like a guitar player? No! Why? Because they freaking cant even if they tried! You can't strum a piano. The only thing they have on us is extended voicings. But who cares, it's not an advantage really.

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    Well as Sonny Rollins puts it (I’ll track down the link David B has it) he likes the guitar cos ot takes up less room.

    He might mean in terms of voicings, but I think he also means in terms of the sound. Electric guitar is a pretty small sounding thing.

    Piano has a lot more overtones.

    I think that’s why guitar players use delay (and chorus back in the 80s) try and get more size out of the instrument. Wonder if that’s missing the point. (I love delay tho)

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    Guitar is the better band and accompany instrument. Piano is the better solo instrument.

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    Guitar vs. Piano makes me remember the statement by Goethe, which I hope I recall correctly:

    "In der Beschränkung macht sich erst der Meister."

    My translation: "In limitation best, is the Master manifest."

    By imposing limits, the guitar pushes a musician to mastery, forcing the player to make hard choices.
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    I'm jealous that pno players can play those close cluster chords so easily

    also Tatum where he plays a line but with the big chords
    (what ARE those voicings ? They're great !)
    i suppose Benson gets closest to that on guitar v, octaves with a fifth or fourth
    in there , but not the same sound though

    also pno can walk a bass line fairly easily
    i know Joe pass , Tuck Andress , etc but it's much tougher on gtr innit

    still we can do a lot of stuff they can't do
    so its all good

    carry on cutting !
    although I hate cutting
    its just saying I'm better than you
    what is achieved by that ?

    i was once cut on Autumn Leaves
    i was playing all the changes etc
    then the next guitarist solos all minor pentatonic
    And blues licks all over the changes

    the audience absolutely Loved It
    what ya gonna do huh ?

    carry on !

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    OTOH imagine you could get up and do this



    Everyone else would instantly realise the error of their ways.

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    I could, if I played alto about a hundred times better than I play guitar.

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    That Johnny Hodges clip is awesome .

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