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    Would you mind if a stranger asked to try your guitar?
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    I always ask a person if they are a guitarist, and if they say yes then I do allow them to play my guitar no problem. I was once ask by a horn player in a big band I played with if he could play my guitar and I ask him if he was a guitarist. He said no he was not. Well I told him I did not play the horn and I did not ask to play his, so no I did not allow him to play my guitar. He was pretty taken back by it but that why I said I did not ask to play his horn.
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    What kind of situations does this happen in? On the job. At home. At a party. ?? It would depend on the situation. If I brought my guitar into a GC to try out amps and somebody wanted to play it I'd refuse them.
    I was hanging out at a band house one time in So. Central Los Angeles and some random guy I knew wanted to play my guitar. I let him which was a mistake. He'd been out back in the alley working on a car and must have had some sort of grease on his hands which got on the guitar. I never was able to completely get it off.

    I was recently in a jam situation in a club and another guitar player (great player) who I know and have played with a few times was sitting out for a couple of tunes. He was sitting near me as I was playing and leaned over in the middle of a tune and asked me if he could take a solo on my guitar. I without thinking twice or batting an eye said "Sure" and handed him my axe. He blew a couple of choruses and passed it back to me and I carried on.
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    I figure there's no harm in asking and no harm in saying no. If someone can't handle no, that's their problem. I'll occasionally ask if someone would like to trade guitars for a few tunes in a jam.

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    Yeah context is everything. I hate it when people assume and get all funny when you say no.

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    My advice would be absolutely not - never let anyone else play your guitar. Every ding, scratch, and dent on my various expensive guitars was put there by someone other than myself.

    When someone asks me if they can try out my guitar I always say "Sorry, no one touches any of my guitars but me" and that's always the end of that!

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    Or how about a local folk musician singing and playing 'Danny Boy' on my hand made Le Voi Macaffari copy then handing it back to me with disdain commenting that 'This guitar sounds too thin for my liking'!?

    Oooo! Words beginning with 'F'.

    'Fanny Boy!' comes to mind......
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    Likely one of the few situations where using an alternative tuning would come in handy.

    "Sure, play my [tuned in minor thirds] guitar. Let me turn the amp up for you so that people can hear you."


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    Steve Herron is correct. Absolutely not. I learned this the hard way fifty years ago when a friend asked to try my new Sorrento and promptly dropped it on a tile floor. Not malicious just clumsy. Now I had a brand new Sorrento with a two inch crack, not a scratch, above the top f hole. My instructor saw it on the next lesson and said,"It will never sound the same. Never let anyone use your instrument." When someone asks to play my instrument, I say, "I don't let anyone use my instrument." We have an intimate relationship with our guitar. Being asked to play it is a social affront akin to being asked to play my girlfriend. If I had a girlfriend. I'll have to ask my wife...

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    I guess this is one reason I play a mim Tele. I'm not going to bring an expensive guitar out to any of the places I might be playing.
    I'm not exactly playing behind chicken wire in a honky tonk but drinks and ciggies and not enough elbow room or backstage dressing rooms is just an invitation for damage. What did a used Super 400 or L5 cost back in the 50s? It couldn't have been too much or unknown gigging guitar players wouldn't have owned them. If I had a guitar like that today at today's prices I wouldn't let the ghost of Joe Pass play it in a rubber room.

    I was at a staid party a while back and a guy, who I didn't know, had a nice classical guitar. I asked if I could play it. He looked a little nervous and I showed him that I didn't have a watch or any jewelry and wasn't wearing a belt and reassured him that I understood his concern completely and he was cool with it. Basically, depending on the situation, I don't have a problem with anyone playing a guitar valued at less than several hundred dollars but if I see them getting stupid with the drinks or cigarettes I'll take it back from them immediately. I'll even politely take it out of their hands if I don't like how they're playing or handling it.

    I learnt my lesson when I was hanging out with just 2 other sober adults and had my 1938 D 18 out. I left the room for a minute and when I came back the guitar had a hole in it.

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    Years ago, I was on a steady 12-4am gig in downtown Chicago, geared toward visiting conventioneers who liked a bit of jazz with their cocaine and 'escorts'.... One night, Mr. Business Drunk gets it in his head to 'sit in' and 'jam', and the club owner strongly 'suggested' I turn over my guitar. I put up with it for a bit, until he nodded out and dropped his lit cigarette* into the f-hole of my '69 L5. Things went downhill from there... In general, though, turning over a guitar to sit in has never really been part of the tradition, unlike bass or drums, and there's no good reason for it to start now.

    *the smoking of cigarettes was once a thing that happened INDOORS, kids, ask your grandparents...

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    Depends on the guitar. My MIM Tele? Maybe. My new Heritage 535? Probably not.

    Also depends on the person. Friend who plays and has some decent guitars of his/her own, treats them properly, and is the type of person that would make things right if something bad did happen? I'm probably fine with letting them play my guitar. Even the nice ones.

    Friend who breaks everything he touches, completely trashes his own gear, left my Pro Jr in the back of his truck in the rain when he borrowed it, and had to borrow money from me when he broke another friend's guitar? No.

    Drunk at a bar? Doubtful.

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    In general if I know the person I will let them play my guitar and sometimes encourage it when they come over to hang. Strangers is another thing memories of some guy playing my guitar once and the neck being so grungy afterwards still haunt me. So friends yes, strangers probably not.
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    At my home? Friends and family. Outside chez k? Nobody but me, and my tech. I would not even let anyone else carry my stuff. Longstanding policy, established from hard experience.
    Best regards, k

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    No, I really don't like people touching my instruments. If it is a friend, student or colleague, or if I were to meet someone from these forums then it would be ok but only if they washed their hands first. It isn't really a germ thing but a feel thing. Even if someone has washed their hands an hour ago I can feel the neck feeling a little different after someone else plays my guitar. I also don't like to play other people's guitars and then play mine - I have to wash my hands if I play a student's guitar and then go back to mine. I'm not afraid of getting sick or anything but who knows where people have had their hands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rio View Post
    No, I really don't like people touching my instruments. If it is a friend, student or colleague, or if I were to meet someone from these forums then it would be ok but only if they washed their hands first. It isn't really a germ thing but a feel thing. Even if someone has washed their hands an hour ago I can feel the neck feeling a little different after someone else plays my guitar. I also don't like to play other people's guitars and then play mine - I have to wash my hands if I play a student's guitar and then go back to mine. I'm not afraid of getting sick or anything but who knows where people have had their hands.


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    Rio,

    Now that is what I call sensitivity. Are you sure your hands are that sensitive? Enough to pick up the oils from another person's hands?

    If so, it would not be the first hypersensitive story I have heard, and who knows, this connection between mind and hands might be the reason you were able to master the guitar. But I find your comment to be very interesting.

    No disrespect or sarcasm intended, either. The senses of true artists, which includes the sense of hearing, are sometimes seemingly superhuman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deacon Mark View Post
    I always ask a person if they are a guitarist, and if they say yes then I do allow them to play my guitar no problem. I was once ask by a horn player in a big band I played with if he could play my guitar and I ask him if he was a guitarist. He said no he was not. Well I told him I did not play the horn and I did not ask to play his, so no I did not allow him to play my guitar. He was pretty taken back by it but that why I said I did not ask to play his horn.
    Hardly the same! Someone else's sweaty hands on your guitar neck is one thing, but a stranger's drool in the mouthpiece - ewwww

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    I don't know if I would 100% be able to tell blindfolded but I can definitely tell sometimes. I can tell mostly on the back of the neck - although I sweat a lot while playing, my hands don't so the neck is always very smooth for me. Before the hand washing policy I would be scrubbing away sometimes after having students try guitars out - like, I could feel a little drag on the back of the neck. Sometimes on the strings too but it is really the back of the neck where it is apparent to me.

    I am also into some nonsensical, non scientific thinking that I have come up with over the years where I think that I am putting my energy into a guitar while I play and that is what makes it mine, like there is almost a personal relationship there and a certain level of respect for the instruments. I was doing student evaluations a few months ago and my colleague only had his nylon string. He had one jazz student and was going to accompany him for the evaluation and said something about having to make do on the nylon string, so I offered for him to use my Eastman 805ce. He is a really good guy and I didn't mind, didn't ask for hand washing or anything. He really liked the guitar and said it felt great - that was a positive experience so it is not a 100% rule. But if a student is playing some aggressive rock or something I wouldn't want them playing any archtops, probably just a couple guitars I would want them to play on. It is weird and probably not true but it is just how I feel about the instruments.

    But yeah, regarding the oil thing, after hand washing before playing for so long now I can feel stuff on the neck pretty easily now - from myself included when I happen to not be able to wash my hands before playing sometimes at gigs. I have started keeping hand wipes in my cases even though they are not as good as washing they are better than nothing in those situations.


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    David,
    Since I play a Novax guitar, and have owned other "unusual" guitars, I do get guitar geeks coming up to chat, which I don't mind. If one of these strangers asks to play my guitar at a gig, however, I'd say "No;" a gig is sort of "sacred space" for the performers. [Would you want someone "trying out the drums" during a break?! Probably not.]

    If it were a jam, and one of "guys" I know/see each week asks to strum it while we're waiting to play, I have said "Yes," and I sat there with them the whole time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post
    Likely one of the few situations where using an alternative tuning would come in handy.

    "Sure, play my [tuned in minor thirds] guitar. Let me turn the amp up for you so that people can hear you."


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    Being a left-handed guitarist helps in these situations as well.

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    I agree with Rio. I think there is a "spiritual" aspect to the player/instrument partnership, to use an inadequate term. What good does it do to "become one" with the instrument and the music, only to let the instrument, now an extension of one's essence, be manhandled by a stranger's grubby paws? Speaking of which, I used to play with a guy who was continually complaining that his strings were dead and could he play my back-up for the gig. Said guy drove past a music store every day after work, and was single, He also suffered from hands that left visible greasy fingerprints on mic stands and my guitar. This experience helped form my "hands off' policy. Some days Mr. Nice Guy is not available, y'know?
    Best regards, k

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthHertz View Post
    Marc, here's a funny story involving our mutual friend. You know we play together and at that time he was bringing his Klein. Afterward, a kid who, I don't know if he knew who he was talking with, but he had that "guitar guy" vibe about him, asked "Mind if I try your guitar?"
    "Why would you ask that? Would I ask to sleep with your girlfriend?" He said this in all seriousness. That's one way to command silence in a room. Ha ha!
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    Haha wow. I need to remember that one.


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    Nobody touches my girl but me.

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    I went to a jazz jam session at a local club yesterday for the first time, just to observe and get the feel of things and maybe build up my courage to come back and play in the future. One of the horn players is a friend and he introduced me to the guitar player, who asked me if I wanted to sit in. I said thanks, I didn't bring my guitar, and he said:

    "No problem! You can use my guitar!"

    ....that's a first!

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    A few years back I took a Strat and an amp to a friends party at their request. He is a drummer and we were going to jam. I think that we played one number, and afterward someone came up and asked to play my guitar. I let them and moved over to the Rhoads which no one played for that first number. Soon every other man at the party commandeered the Strat and fought over who was going to play it, and who was going to play it next. I played the Rhoads the whole night and no one ever approached me to take over. I think that guy that brought it to the party even played my Strat a few times, but he didn't care to play the Rhoads for some reason. In this context I didn't mind letting others play my guitar because I was still able to participate. But if that Rhoads wasn't there I probably would have been at least slightly pissed.

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    Howard Alden once gave me his 7-string guitar to try out, during the interval at one of his gigs. It was at a small club in London (Peter Ind's Tenor Clef) and Howard knew Stan Britt who was with us. I think Stan mentioned that I played guitar, and Howard got his guitar from the stage and gave it to me (to my surprise!).

    I was too cowardly to really play it in front of Howard, so I just sort of fingered some chords for a minute or two, then gave it back to him!

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    People who offer to let you play their guitar:
    I have taken lessons for years from this old jazz cat. He is 83 years old. One day at a lesson he handed me his Ibanez to try. I couldn't wait to give it back. It was so grungy, I get PTSD just thinking about it. I'm not sure I could own an Ibanez now without suffering from flashbacks. Probably not wiped down for years. I learned my lesson alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goatrace View Post
    Steve Herron is correct. Absolutely not. I learned this the hard way fifty years ago when a friend asked to try my new Sorrento and promptly dropped it on a tile floor. Not malicious just clumsy.
    Me too, but not quite that bad. We had a sax player filling in for the night, great player, nice guy. He said he was learning guitar, and asked to try mine. Original 1986 PRS C24, bought personally from Paul himself. I let him try it out for a few minutes. Later, when putting it away for the night, I noticed a big belt buckle scratch across the back.
    -- Isn't it crazy that "archtop" and "luthier" are spelling errors on this forum?

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    Depends very much on who it is. If it's someone I know, or maybe have seen at jam sessions or something, and I know they can play, and they know how to respect a guitar, then maybe. If it's a stranger, no way.

    I was thinking a good comeback would be, "If I can drive your car" but I like David's "Can I kiss your girlfriend?" better.

    I did play with a drummer who had no problem letting other people use his (good) drums at sessions and stuff. I asked him about it, and he just kinda shrugged and said, "Nobody's gonna hit 'em harder than I do." (This guy is an ex-marine, has a black belt in Brazillian Ju Jitsu, and is a certified Krav Maga instructor, so probably nobody's got the muscle to hit harder than he does.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rio View Post
    I don't know if I would 100% be able to tell blindfolded but I can definitely tell sometimes. I can tell mostly on the back of the neck - although I sweat a lot while playing, my hands don't so the neck is always very smooth for me. Before the hand washing policy I would be scrubbing away sometimes after having students try guitars out - like, I could feel a little drag on the back of the neck. Sometimes on the strings too but it is really the back of the neck where it is apparent to me.

    I am also into some nonsensical, non scientific thinking that I have come up with over the years where I think that I am putting my energy into a guitar while I play and that is what makes it mine, like there is almost a personal relationship there and a certain level of respect for the instruments. I was doing student evaluations a few months ago and my colleague only had his nylon string. He had one jazz student and was going to accompany him for the evaluation and said something about having to make do on the nylon string, so I offered for him to use my Eastman 805ce. He is a really good guy and I didn't mind, didn't ask for hand washing or anything. He really liked the guitar and said it felt great - that was a positive experience so it is not a 100% rule. But if a student is playing some aggressive rock or something I wouldn't want them playing any archtops, probably just a couple guitars I would want them to play on. It is weird and probably not true but it is just how I feel about the instruments.

    But yeah, regarding the oil thing, after hand washing before playing for so long now I can feel stuff on the neck pretty easily now - from myself included when I happen to not be able to wash my hands before playing sometimes at gigs. I have started keeping hand wipes in my cases even though they are not as good as washing they are better than nothing in those situations.


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    I'm with you. If somebody plays my guitar, I want them to wash their hands; I want to know where their belt buckle and shirt buttons are. I want to know what rings they are wearing. When I play someone else's guitar, I wash my hands and check potential scratch-sources before I pick up the guitar. It's just courtesy.

    And I require the same from them.
    - Lawson
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    If it's someone I know well, and they're a guitar player, I generally don't mind them having a play.

    I get exhausted talking to people about guitars at gigs. Too often I get people telling me about their collection of Gibson Les Pauls and/or Strats and how Jimmy Page is the worlds best guitarist, and that I should get rid of my Les Paul Recording and get a "real" Les Paul.

    Once I had a guy come up and take a good look at my Telecaster. He saw the "Crafted in Japan" sticker and gave me a huge lecture on how it's not a real Telecaster, that it's just a Japanese piece of junk. Was really hard not to whack him over the head with it!

    I'm polite, and people generally have good intentions, but it gets tiring.

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    I've got a problem if people wanna play too dirty
    Hitting it hard and wangin them strings too much etc

    Its an archtop with 13's (maybe a 15 top)
    so its not gonna work great anyway .....
    and I feel like the Guitar will come back feeling different ....

    If they play moderato that's cool usually

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    Quote Originally Posted by entresz View Post

    Once I had a guy come up and take a good look at my Telecaster. He saw the "Crafted in Japan" sticker and gave me a huge lecture on how it's not a real Telecaster, that it's just a Japanese piece of junk..
    Ha ha ... fool

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    If this question comes up from a stranger in the lonely lane on the deep dark night... then it depends on circumstaqnce.. if he has a gun I will most probably give it to him to try...

    But seriously... usually I have no problem with that.. and most players I met too... it's kind of friendly etiquette...
    As well as it is a musician's etiquette is not touch other player's instrument without permission even if you know how to handle it and need only to remove it from the aisle or something like that..

    of course you should take some care - i played a few concerts for kids once... of course they want to try and you cannot say no... I just would be carefull...

    And also archtop and solid bodies are not so easy to break really...

    exception could be extremely expensive instruments...
    like violins over 30 000 EUR and so on

    And all this spiritual thing... I find more spirituality when people are interested in the instrument I play and maybe when they try it could a start of their own journey

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    What's with all the casual sexist crap? 'If I can kiss your GF'!!
    Granted, I joke with my wife about my thin, curvy, blond six-string girlfriend, but I don't ever imply to anyone that I have some kind of ownership over her. 'Her' being my wife, not my guitar

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunksman View Post
    What's with all the casual sexist crap? 'If I can kiss your GF'!!
    Granted, I joke with my wife about my thin, curvy, blond six-string girlfriend, but I don't ever imply to anyone that I have some kind of ownership over her. 'Her' being my wife, not my guitar
    yeh...
    after all the guiatr has its rights too.. maybe it's gay.. how do we know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunksman View Post
    What's with all the casual sexist crap? 'If I can kiss your GF'!!
    Granted, I joke with my wife about my thin, curvy, blond six-string girlfriend, but I don't ever imply to anyone that I have some kind of ownership over her. 'Her' being my wife, not my guitar
    That statement was made in order to try to convey a scale of perceived inappropriateness in such a request. For some of us, a guitar is not an object of ownership either, it is a partner in life by which thought, expression and emotion are shared, both between the player and the instrument, and the player and the people listening. It's not a matter of ownership that was the object lesson, but rather the feeling of immediate outrage that that particular request invoked.

    It was my post that this incident was conveyed within. I have removed it and any other posts of mine that alluded to this. Sorry it offended you.
    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonah View Post
    yeh...
    after all the guiatr has its rights too.. maybe it's gay.. how do we know?

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    Everybody makes sexist etc comments from time to time. Doesn't make you a bad person.

    But the comment remains sexist, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Everybody makes sexist etc comments from time to time. Doesn't make you a bad person.

    But the comment remains sexist, IMO.
    Intentionally so. An extreme and unrealistic statement to make a point.
    I read Swift's Modest Proposal. What an asshole. How'd he ever get that piece of trash published?

    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthHertz View Post
    Intentionally so. An extreme and unrealistic statement to make a point.
    I read Swift's Modest Proposal. What an asshole. How'd he ever get that piece of trash published?

    David
    the context... mind the context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entresz View Post
    Once I had a guy come up and take a good look at my Telecaster. He saw the "Crafted in Japan" sticker and gave me a huge lecture on how it's not a real Telecaster, that it's just a Japanese piece of junk. Was really hard not to whack him over the head with it!
    Another example where a tele is more versatile than an archtop.

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    I'm not going to get into the ins and outs of it, and none of this is specifically in reference to anyone here, but I'd like to say this:

    I like to believe there is room in the world to respectfully point out that a comment might come across as a little sexist etc without on one hand saying 'you are a bad person and probably a nazi!!!!!' on one hand, or inviting the response: 'it's PC gone mad!!!!' on the other. People don't want to be the Bad Person.

    I've said stuff that was sexist, racist and homophobic in my life, and I'm glad people were able to call me on it without me feeling like a total asshole. Embarrassing, sure, but I think it has made me a more considerate person. Possibly.

    Even since the 2000's, the goalposts have shifted.

    The reference to Swift is a little lost on me, but I would say if he published that now, his life would be destroyed.

    That said satire has a tendency to be lost on some people. I read the other day that Spinrad's the Iron Dream was taken at face value by neo-nazis. Increasingly the internet is this type of environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop View Post
    Another example where a tele is more versatile than an archtop.
    Haha. Jim Mullen would agree.

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    Friends, and people I know/trust, all the time. I'll often hand my guitar playing friends a guitar if they're hanging out, I like to hear my guitars played by other people.

    Strangers, my usual reply is "sure, let me just wipe some of this blood off." Usually, that does the trick
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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    I'm not going to get into the ins and outs of it, and none of this is specifically in reference to anyone here, but I'd like to say this:

    I like to believe there is room in the world to respectfully point out that a comment might come across as a little sexist etc without on one hand saying 'you are a bad person and probably a nazi!!!!!' on one hand, or inviting the response: 'it's PC gone mad!!!!' on the other. People don't want to be the Bad Person.

    I've said stuff that was sexist, racist and homophobic in my life, and I'm glad people were able to call me on it without me feeling like a total asshole. Embarrassing, sure, but I think it has made me a more considerate person. Possibly.

    Even since the 2000's, the goalposts have shifted.

    The reference to Swift is a little lost on me, but I would say if he published that now, his life would be destroyed.

    That said satire has a tendency to be lost on some people. I read the other day that Spinrad's the Iron Dream was taken at face value by neo-nazis. Increasingly the internet is this type of environment.
    Great post Mr Christian

    My PC goalposts are evolving constantly ...
    weekly I find out something I can't now say ,
    from my kids (children ?? )

    Thing is , I like slang and vernacular
    Scott on Guitar wank normal greeting is
    "What's up bitches" love it ...

    He probably shouldn't say that ... I dunno

    People think its what you say that matters ...
    When in fact in this world ,
    its what you do that matters ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu View Post
    Great post Mr Christian

    My PC goalposts are evolving constantly ...
    weekly I find out something I can't now say ,
    from my kids (children ?? )

    Thing is , I like slang and vernacular
    Scott on Guitar wank normal greeting is
    "What's up bitches" love it ...

    He probably shouldn't say that ... I dunno

    People think its what you say that matters ...
    When in fact in this world ,
    its what you do that matters ...
    As far as I can tell from listening to the podcast, there's not an atom of harm in Scott's being, but a few times he made boo-boo's - one was repeating a joke Bruce Foreman made about Jews being good with money.

    Many of the jews I have known in my life have often been very quick to make those kind of jokes, but they take on a very different meaning when made by a non-jew. I know people feel that the person saying the thing shouldn't be an issue - but it is.

    I felt genuinely sorry for Scott when he realised he'd come across as anti-semitic, because he is a good guy. And Bruce, gently and, with love, pointing out why was an object lesson (IMO) in how to set things straight.

    OTOH - in a more adversarial environment, you could see how it go different, perhaps.

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    But to get back to your point Pingu, I feel you. I too love slang and vernacular.

    If you go back far enough, even some of the most inoffensive terms actually turn out to be terrible slurs lol!

    PC itself is a difficult one. I am actually opposed to it in concept. I am also opposed to the concept of taking offence on other people's behalf.

    But I am pro being considerate of other people's feelings, and anti-bigotry. So it's a balance.

    I kind of feel European Hate Speech laws do nothing to address actual hatred, but when I go online I find the general course of racism, anti-semitism and islamophobia etc on youtube videos and so on, to be physically sickening. It's like someone's shaken up a bottle of coke and taken the lid off.

    Tricky! Here's an interesting perspective from Zizek:

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    Anyway, I have completely derailed this thread, for which I apologise.

    I once got accused of being a capitalist for refusing to lend someone my guitar to play.

    I think many people view guitars as a public good. Perhaps we should nationalise them?

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    No one ever asks - hey, can I borrow your Bassoon?