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    Quote Originally Posted by henryrobinett View Post
    Naw. I've thought about it. I did exactly I've gig where I used some Ableton Live tracks that augmented my live band. It was too much work. But for the most part it sounded great. I have thought that on occasion it might be interesting to break out a few tracks for a hip hop groove or something really modern. Not all night. Maybe three songs to break it up. I don't know. I'm less prone to feel peer pressure from jazz police assholes.

    Forget software and computers. Beatbox your kick and snare, then layer the hat. You're done. I assume you're talking about a gig with no drummer and you want to add some variety.

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  3. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryrobinett View Post
    Naw. I've thought about it. I did exactly I've gig where I used some Ableton Live tracks that augmented my live band. It was too much work. But for the most part it sounded great. I have thought that on occasion it might be interesting to break out a few tracks for a hip hop groove or something really modern. Not all night. Maybe three songs to break it up. I don't know. I'm less prone to feel peer pressure from jazz police assholes.
    I'd like to make sure another distinction is being made.

    Using loops, sampling on the fly, computer generated sounds <- totally cool and absolutely NOT the same thing as using backing tracks. Using samples and electronic music, ambient sounds etc ... that implies some level of creativity. Backing tracks are just taking the sounds some other dudes recorded years ago and playing over them even though they have no musical interaction or common ground with you. Not the same things.

    One of the best concerts I've ever seen was Herbie Hancock solo. He sat in a rolling swivel chair surrounded by a grand piano, a couple electric keyboards, two computer monitors hooked up to MIDI keyboards and mixing boards. And of course a keytar. It was awesome. He actually improvised and would take sample on the fly and work them in with prerecorded samples and used all sorts of stuff to create insane soundscapes. Super cool. Computer music is great. Some people need electronic music to get the sounds in their head out. Using a backing track to solo over in a gig just means that you haven't learned a tune.

    I'd also like to say that I am not a jazz asshole. If you don't have enough solo tunes to make it through the gig... then sing some Bob Dylan. Seriously. Totally cool if you can do it in an unobtrusive way then awesome. Play the same tune a second time in the second set and try to stretch out if their aren't tons of people from the first set listening intently. Bring a book of classical pieces to read as filler. Work up arrangements of pop tunes. Sing some pop tunes... Go back through and sing a couple of the tunes you've done as solo guitar tunes... I could go on and on and of course you have to know what kind of place you're playing. I just don't see backing tracks as a reasonable alternative.

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    Hell ... write some original tunes

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryrobinett View Post
    Certainly NOT lame idiots talking to themselves on stage, trying to figure out what to play, taking long solos on Satin Doll and Blue Bossa. That stuff helps ruin a scene. And it doesn't help CREATE a scene. We should about creating scenes. If part of that scene is joining forces with a DJ because that's hip now -- if it works it works. But for a jazz club it aint gonna fly UNLESS it's REALLY HIP.

    That's quotable right there.

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    The only thing that I feel to say is that, music is an art form and is up to the single artist to express him/her self the way they wants, with a band, solo with baking tracks or a bunch of monkeys playing in the back ground, the only thing that really matters is if the artist sounds good is in if he doesn't he is out plain and sample, all the rest is just a bunch of words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandro View Post
    The only thing that I feel to say is that, music is an art form and is up to the single artist to express him/her self the way they wants, with a band, solo with baking tracks or a bunch of monkeys playing in the back ground, the only thing that really matters is if the artist sounds good is in if he doesn't he is out plain and sample, all the rest is just a bunch of words.

    Sandro

    I'm going to risk a direct reply to this.

    First of all I apologize if I offended you personally but I do have strong feelings about this topic in general and most of my strong reactions were related to what others were saying in a conversation that strayed far from your original question.

    That said...

    It is about expression and it's up to the individual artist. But what exactly are you expressing when you decide to use a backing track for Satin Doll instead of taking the time to work up a rudimentary arrangement? I feel where you're coming from so I'll back off of this because it is an individual decision for you to express what you want how you want but that's something I think is worth considering. Do you want to use backing tracks because of an expressive preference or because of a lack of confidence in your ability as a solo guitar player?

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    rhetorical question. No need to respond publicly because that is your own business.

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    It all depends on what you want to do and how you want to do it. I'm sure there are wonderfully creative ways they can be used. But to use it, or anything, as a lazy way to get through a gig isn't real artistry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inwalkedbud View Post
    I'm going to risk a direct reply to this.

    First of all I apologize if I offended you personally but I do have strong feelings about this topic in general and most of my strong reactions were related to what others were saying in a conversation that strayed far from your original question.

    That said...

    It is about expression and it's up to the individual artist. But what exactly are you expressing when you decide to use a backing track for Satin Doll instead of taking the time to work up a rudimentary arrangement? I feel where you're coming from so I'll back off of this because it is an individual decision for you to express what you want how you want but that's something I think is worth considering. Do you want to use backing tracks because of an expressive preference or because of a lack of confidence in your ability as a solo guitar player?
    To be honest with you I get board to listen to solo guitar it doesn't matter if is Joe Pass or Lanny Bureau it's get hold very fast with me don't ask me why, I love them in a band situation but not so much on solo guitar again a few tunes are okay but not an entire album. Solo guitar is not my thing I have develop and wrote a few tunes as solo guitar but that's it and is not a "luck of confidence" but a musical preferences.

    I am amazed that you guys are here replay to my post but don't you should be touring right now some were in the world? Or the backing tracks guys stole all your gigs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandro View Post
    i am amazed that you guys are here replay to my post but don't you should be touring right now some were in the world? Or the backing tracks guys stole all your gigs?

    Sandro
    lol!!

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    In life I learn that, one way to separate the professional from the wanna be is, the professional, even when they criticize you, always give you words of wisdom and encouragement, they are not afraid of you, wile the wanna be put you down to lift them self up.

    Sandro

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    Well said Sandro, double Henry's lol !!!

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    One can learn so darn much about the music industry, live entertainment, and the concerns of real musicians on this forum! Other than an occasional jam with friends, I have never performed but I feel as though I have a pretty good idea of what to expect, and some of the pitfalls.

    When I had plenty of time, I had planned to play for free just to get experience. Little did I know that there are serious unintended consequences from what seems like such a simple act - playing live just for the love of it and to share one's music. Yet I could be costing some fellow musician some income for survival.

    I had also planned to play with backing tracks like I have seen others do at senior citizen concerts and other small functions. Little did I know that I could be costing someone some income there too - as well as cheapening the art of Jazz - at least in the eyes of many.

    The metaphor about the spider web and life is true, we are all connected and moves I make here shake the web and can are felt by others, sometimes in a bad way.

    So now my choice is to either to all the way and get to where I can play good music or stay in the bedroom or friends music room.

    Its kind of sad, but of course, life ain't fair.

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    I was going to be famous but Sandro stole my gigs!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol View Post
    I was going to be famous but Sandro stole my gigs!!!
    Wait till I have my backing track in order you guys better start to look for a real job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandro View Post
    In life I learn that, one way to separate the professional from the wanna be is, the professional, even when they criticize you, always give you words of wisdom and encouragement, they are not afraid of you, wile the wanna be put you down to lift them self up.

    Sandro
    That seems to be true, huh?

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    Half way through page #3 with 72 replies and I am still the only one to actually respond to the OP. Carry on, ladies....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolbi2112 View Post
    Half way through page #3 with 72 replies and I am still the only one to actually respond to the OP. Carry on, ladies....
    Kolbi, I am so sorry for not taking a second and thank you for your replay, you are right it was and still is the only replay who answer my question.

    Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

    Sandro

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    Alsoran - we had a standing gig Tuesday night for something like 9 years at this club. Place was packed everytime we played. We packed them in on Tuesday as much as the clubs Friday and Saturday nights. Five piece band made $75 a man. I did a three month teaching gig in. Vienna so we temporarily passed the gig. But there was a band who negotiated to take our place for $50. That's $50, not a piece. Now they thought it was a good way to climb into a easy ready made night, except they sucked. Club owner couldn't turn away from only paying $50 even if the band was bad. The unintended consequence was that it hurt every single band who tried to book in that club. I refused to ever play there again and the club, a once thriving 7 night a week jazz club died a dismal death. Today people still talk about when that club was great. Now it's a Vietnamese Resturant that has no music.

    There are always consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryrobinett View Post
    Alsoran - we had a standing gig Tuesday night for something like 9 years at this club. Place was packed everytime we played. We packed them in on Tuesday as much as the clubs Friday and Saturday nights. Five piece band made $75 a man. I did a three month teaching gig in. Vienna so we temporarily passed the gig. But there was a band who negotiated to take our place for $50. That's $50, not a piece. Now they thought it was a good way to climb into a easy ready made night, except they sucked. Club owner couldn't turn away from only paying $50 even if the band was bad. The unintended consequence was that it hurt every single band who tried to book in that club. I refused to ever play there again and the club, a once thriving 7 night a week jazz club died a dismal death. Today people still talk about when that club was great. Now it's a Vietnamese Resturant that has no music.

    There are always consequences.
    Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.


    also Yes.

    This is huge huge huge.

    In the midst of all the jokes about backing trackers stealing my solo gigs (nope not yet) I would like to say that THIS is what I was talking about. Not one guitarist stealing a gig from another guitarist but rather one group putting a sloppy product together for pennies to serve as a substitute for a quality product that should cost $150 or more. It hurts the whole market. You've got a gig and the opportunity to make it known that a great band beats a stereo any day so step up and do it.

    Also another reply to Alsoran - there's absolutely nothing wrong with playing with your friends until you have the requisite skill to book a gig. That's the way it always is. You play backyard baseball and then sign up for little league and then play high school ... maybe you go to college and the pros ... maybe you play intermural and semi pro ... maybe it becomes a hobby... maybe you take up golf. You don't start by walking up and trying to hit an 88mph slider. It's part of development ... and once you're getting gigs you'll probably find that informal sessions with your friends are still the most free and fun places to play that you have.
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    edit .
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    Quote Originally Posted by docbop View Post
    BIAB is fine because the audience doesn't know the difference or care. When solo you're what they see and focus on and backing tracks are just filling in some bass and a beat for them.
    Lol. Of course the audience doesn't care. Club owners care even less. Who buys BIAB for their kids?
    Parents. They want to see a payoff from their investment. A guy just bought a looper from me. He came up from Chicago with his father. Take a wild guess who paid for the looper? He wasn't a kid either. Must have been 19-20 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryrobinett View Post
    Alsoran - we had a standing gig Tuesday night for something like 9 years at this club. Place was packed everytime we played. We packed them in on Tuesday as much as the clubs Friday and Saturday nights. Five piece band made $75 a man. I did a three month teaching gig in. Vienna so we temporarily passed the gig. But there was a band who negotiated to take our place for $50. That's $50, not a piece. Now they thought it was a good way to climb into a easy ready made night, except they sucked. Club owner couldn't turn away from only paying $50 even if the band was bad. The unintended consequence was that it hurt every single band who tried to book in that club. I refused to ever play there again and the club, a once thriving 7 night a week jazz club died a dismal death. Today people still talk about when that club was great. Now it's a Vietnamese Resturant that has no music.

    There are always consequences.
    Undercutting? I don't know about that. I just never dealt with it. It's always been about technology with me. Digital tech has been nothing but a curse. I was doing OK without it. The sequencing and the sampling. Yuck.

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    I could have had my gig back. Maybe for the same amount. We certainly wouldn't have played for less. But I was so offended that I didn't try. But hearing the experiences of the other musicians, I walked away. Then again you don't want to get the reputation of one of those musicians who cut the throats of everyone else.

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    To answer the OP, I don't know where to get quality 3rd party backing tracks because I make all of mine myself.

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    The next time you only want answers supporting the conclusion you already reached,
    This quite clearly shows that you haven't even read the original post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ingeneri View Post
    Hey Sandro, sorry I Was too busy at a gig tonight to provide the validation that was obviously the real point of your question. The next time you only want answers supporting the conclusion you already reached, maybe you can let us all know in advance to avoid confusion that you actually cared what other people actually think.
    ingeneri I didn't ask for an opinion, is clear that for me playing with backing track is okay, if someone feel the need to express his/her opinion just go ahead and do it, but need to be in a constructive way, I suggest you to go back and read some of the replies "I should be ashamed" "frauds" "take works to earn the stage" what the hell this supposed mean, that I don't deserve to be on the stage and you do? I been play and studying guitar for the past 40 years play all sort of gig with pro, semi-pro or just amateur in literally all the top club here in Boston you named I play there, for years I donate my playing for free to all sort of causes, walk for hunger walk for life and many many others more that I can't possibly remember them all, and this lead me to a question, who are you to tell me that I don't deserve to be on the stage and you do? Ho I forgot you are a pro you had a gig last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dortmundjazzguitar View Post
    dortmundjazzguitar, this video show a "business man" pis-toff with his "employees" because according to the boss they are not delivering what they are pay to deliver. This video is out of contest.

    Sandro

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    I have just one response to those who feel that playing to backing tracks cannot be original, other than being an "original sin". And this is one of the finest guitarists I have ever heard. Happens to be a contributor to the forum, too.

    If you would be bored by this fellow because he doesn't have a real band behind him, then you have tin ears. Of course, Paul is so good, he should have a top class jazz quintet backing him. Just my opinion...



    Jay
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    Quote Originally Posted by targuit View Post
    I have just one response to those who feel that playing to backing tracks cannot be original, other than being an "original sin". And this is one of the finest guitarists I have ever heard. Happens to be a contributor to the forum, too.

    If you would be bored by this fellow because he doesn't have a real band behind him, then you have tin ears. Of course, Tony is so good, he should have a top class jazz quintet backing him. Just my opinion...



    Jay
    Very nice, if you have it it shows not matter how with whom or with what you play.

    Sandro

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingeneri View Post
    You asked if there were any better backing tracks than BIAB for doing a solo gig. A number of us, admittedly using strong language, said no because, in our opinion, the very concept is faulty.

    Here's the technical reason I think this doesn't work, even with recordings of top players on an Abersold CD. A Jazz rhythm section needs to be dynamic. The basslines are not just 32 bar loops ad infinitim but an improvised line that, at its best, outlines the chords in a melodic way that can rival any solo. The same thing with drums, where the groove needs to be given variety. And then, on top of all that, they are supposed to be reacting and playing off what you do as the soloist (or even how you're approaching the melody), which is why even the Abersolds won't work. Without all this, you get a sterile and boring business man's bounce.

    As for my remark about earning the stage. I think every stage needs to be earned by anyone on it every single time. Not everybody who is gigging is ready for every situation. You may belong on some stages with some groups and not others. I'm far from the most comfortable solo guitarist and much prefer to work in a duo setting, but if that's what the gig demands then I need to get myself up to the task or be honest and decline the gig until I am. Otherwise, I'm not ready for that specific gig. It doesn't reflect on me as a person or even all that much as a musician. Even good musicians have their strengths, weaknesses, and limitations.
    Regarding the technical reason you are stating the obvious, all of us, I think, prefer to play with a live band for the obvious reasons that you mentioned, this is just common sense, in fact my OP doesn't say "I prefer to play with backing tracks than a real band so were I can get good backing tracks?"

    In reference to your remark is very vague and again state the obvious, the only think that I can add is that, I do feel up to the task of booking a gig using backing tracks there where such a set up make sense.

    Sandro

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    I was teaching at a music school on Vienna with the phenomenal guitarist Shawn Lane. For his first performance at the school he brought a dat tape with a backing band and played his friggjng ass off. I'd actually never heard anything like this. It was instrumental rock n roll Pakinstani music. He did it so much better than McLaughlin and Shakti. He played bending all those micro tones and sounded like a real smooth sitar but with great electric guitar overdrive. Never heard anything before or since like it. In this situation there's no way Shawn could have brought a band to play this stuff or maybe even been able to rehearse the teacher band to play it. We just wanted to hear him anyway. The backing track worked fine.

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    I know Wolf Marshall does a lot of gigging with small jazz band setups, but he also has a few regular solo gigs that he does where he uses backing tracks. And I don't think he needs to feel ashamed to do so. You can just tell by the look on his face that he is loving what he is doing, and although I would prefer to see a full band, I would pumped if I showed up for brunch here, and found someone of his caliber play... regardless of whether he was playing solo arrangement or playing along with a few tracks. God bless him for doing what he does and for a loving it. It may not encourage all, and some may feel that he is selling-out by playing with the backing tracks (at least that's impressions I'm getting from some of the replies here), but I think Wolf has shown that he really does a good job at doing what is needed based on the gig and situation at hand. And that is how I see what I do as well. Some band, some backing, some looper and some solo. It CAN all be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acoustictones View Post
    I know Wolf Marshall does a lot of gigging with small jazz band setups, but he also has a few regular solo gigs that he does where he uses backing tracks. And I don't think he needs to feel ashamed to do so. You can just tell by the look on his face that he is loving what he is doing, and although I would prefer to see a full band, I would pumped if I showed up for brunch here, and found someone of his caliber play... regardless of whether he was playing solo arrangement or playing along with a few tracks. God bless him for doing what he does and for a loving it. It may not encourage all, and some may feel that he is selling-out by playing with the backing tracks (at least that's impressions I'm getting from some of the replies here), but I think Wolf has shown that he really does a good job at doing what is needed based on the gig and situation at hand. And that is how I see what I do as well. Some band, some backing, some looper and some solo. It CAN all be good.

    Another great example thank you acoustictone.

    Sandro

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    This is a forumate from the gear page site playing along with his backing tracks, another one who should be ashamed of him self.

    Sandro

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    These players all sound lovely. The bands don't. Who wants to hear someone solo over 8 choruses of a backing track w zero group interaction and zero dynamic contrast or shading. Come on man. These videos prove my point for me. Listen to this ... Fast forward to 4:15 and listen to the band... Do you hear what I hear? Energy. Musicians loving playing w each other and being in the moment. This is intense club jazz but seeing two people smiling and lock in and interact and listen to each other is what makes a performance valuable. If I wanted to listen to a person solo over a recording give me one good reason why I wouldn't pay $10/mo and stream spotify?


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    Sandro these are nice



    Also, Wiz makes really nice tracks for the "practical standards group" thread. They are all there for free download, lots of great tunes very nicely put together by him.

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    RichB was right on the spot.

    Put yourself in a rock band position. Are rock bands playing of the backing tracks? No. And please, do not mention wedding parties and crap, and those ridiculous wedding party bands, playing everything from polkas to death metal, because that's as far away from the idea of Rock as it should be from Jazz, as in fact it is.

    It is completely different issue from being a pro musician, almost not related, at all. Pro musician does it for living, but is not Rocker, nor Jazzer .. he's labor woker providing musical labor, nothing more. Can not label preferable genre on his forhead and pretend he's some kind of cultural enterpreur, let alone elite ..

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    https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/jazzg...tml#post470280

    Ambrose akinimusire.

    one of the top players in the world.

    what a nonsensical comparison. with a local player doing some little gigs here and there.

    We get it. You hate backing tracks with every fibre of your being.

    Idea:

    why don't you, and all the people that feel so strongly about us backing trackers, go start your own thread on how you hate backing tracks?

    and stop screwing up this one?

    Are rock bands playing of the backing tracks? No
    wrong. from top acts, to the wedding bands you are so scornful of, many use tracks, from sophisticated to simple. Michael Buble used "canned" music at the Olympics.

    A friend of mine played a cruise ship. He told the players were outstanding. All the music was in charts. Every single part was duplicated on a computer, and any part whatsoever could be performed without the musician being there if necessary. the whole concert (with singers and dancers) was to a click track. The music was demanding and parts complex.


    so much strong opinion here and so few facts here, it's remarkable.

    This place seriously needs some decent moderating.
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    It really is not an 'either / or" situation - i agree most of us would prefer to play with a live band of top quality musicians. But the economic and perhaps demographic reality is different today. Fewer gigs, more competition, fewer jazz clubs specifically. You cannot even busk without a freakin' license from the city. Demographics because the boomers are heading off to retirement and nursing homes. The current generation is accustomed to DJs at dances and they are fewer venues for live music. What are you supposed to do if you want to play? Unlike those who use Autotune to get their vocals in tune, those who use backing tracks for practice or certain performance venues are not trying to deceive anyone - they are competing for diminishing resources.

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    good luck Sandro, hope the links I gave will help a little. I am sick of these purist geeks.
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    And now to finnish, electronic music based pop and mega rock bands having backing tracks support, or as complete soundstage, or what Henry told us he did with one band, all that is another unrelated subject. I won't go into explaining why, but it seams pretty obvious to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markf View Post
    https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/jazzg...tml#post470280

    Ambrose akinimusire.

    one of the top players in the world.

    what a nonsensical comparison. with a local player doing some little gigs here and there.

    We get it. You hate backing tracks with every fibre of your being.

    Idea:

    why don't you, and all the people that feel so strongly about us backing trackers, go start your own thread on how you hate backing tracks?

    and stop screwing up this one?



    wrong. from top acts, to the wedding bands you are so scornful of, many use tracks, from sophisticated to simple. Michael Buble used "canned" music at the Olympics.

    A friend of mine played a cruise ship. He told the players were outstanding. All the music was in charts. Every single part was duplicated on a computer, and any part whatsoever could be performed without the musician being there if necessary. the whole concert (with singers and dancers) was to a click track. The music was demanding and parts complex.


    so much strong opinion here and so few facts here, it's remarkable.

    This place seriously needs some decent moderating.
    With due respect, you missed quite a few not even too fine points I was making. As a pro musician, it is more than OK to use backing tracks to earn for the living, no objections, just don't pretend to be an artist of belle art and call up on Jazz as a genre. That's it. Nothing more.

    Maybe I shouldn't have said RichB was right on the spot, as now his words are interpreted as being mine. I don't agree with him to the word, but rather in concept and attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inwalkedbud View Post
    These players all sound lovely. The bands don't. Who wants to hear someone solo over 8 choruses of a backing track w zero group interaction and zero dynamic contrast or shading. Come on man. These videos prove my point for me. Listen to this ... Fast forward to 4:15 and listen to the band... Do you hear what I hear? Energy. Musicians loving playing w each other and being in the moment. This is intense club jazz but seeing two people smiling and lock in and interact and listen to each other is what makes a performance valuable. If I wanted to listen to a person solo over a recording give me one good reason why I wouldn't pay $10/mo and stream spotify?
    inwalkedbud, you too are stating the obvious, playing with a live band is the best option no questions about, I am not saying that a backing tracks is better than a live band, what it drive me, and apparently many other musicians, to use backing tracks is the need of making extra money in a market where money are tight and there is no room for extra. Now if you have a day job making enough money to support your family or you are living home with your parents or your girlfriends or your wife pay for the bills and you don't have to worry about it, yes you can be a moralist and don't take the gig because you think is morally incorrect or all the other non sense has been sad here.

    Sandro

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    I'll wear geek like a badge of honor. Been one for years now

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    Quote Originally Posted by markf View Post
    good luck Sandro, hope the links I gave will help a little. I am sick of these purist geeks.
    Thank you Mark I appreciated your link, thank you again

    Sandro

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    I mean not talking about morals here... That's a little extreme. But this is a slippery slope... If an owner says "hey man we got this spotify account so we're just going to use that from now on"

    how would you argue your worth? I mean if I want to hear recordings wouldn't Smokin at the Half note be a better choice? What would you be providing that Wes wasn't? I'm not arguing this from a nerdy purist standpoint... I'm arguing this from a business standpoint. Why is your job secure? What do you offer that a full on recording doesn't? It's a valid question and it's one any competent owner will and should ask

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    Quote Originally Posted by inwalkedbud View Post
    I mean not talking about morals here... That's a little extreme. But this is a slippery slope... If an owner says "hey man we got this spotify account so we're just going to use that from now on"

    how would you argue your worth? I mean if I want to hear recordings wouldn't Smokin at the Half note be a better choice? What would you be providing that Wes wasn't? I'm not arguing this from a nerdy purist standpoint... I'm arguing this from a business standpoint. Why is your job secure? What do you offer that a full on recording doesn't? It's a valid question and it's one any competent owner will and should ask
    I will offer a live performance where I can connect with the audience and make them feel that I am playing just for them, some body is on the stage interacting with the audience just like a band will do play that song just for them at that moment in time, you can't do that with a recording. Now I am feeling that I am stating the obvious.

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    Last edited by Sandro; 10-31-2014 at 12:04 PM.

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    Let me show you the difference:

    1. Good: Band, duo playing over backing tracks (you can skip to 2:30 for actual song) ...




    2. And now, not so good: As good, great, as they maybe are, imagine them playing Jazz standard, would it be on the line with ideaa of Jazz?

    Last edited by Vladan; 10-31-2014 at 12:17 PM.
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