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Originally Posted by Stevebol
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09-18-2024 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
More musicians should let the music do the talking.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
I lack the inclination to rebut your Islamophobia comprehensively, but suffice to say, it has been the case that the West's intervention in the Middle East, the history of divide and conquer, colonialism, overthrowing democratically elected governments such as in Iran, sending arms to the Mujahideen (yes, the same kind of people who would perpetrate America's 9/11) and so on and so forth - that is, actively suppressing more humane and moderate forms of government in Islamic countries, it is hardly surprising that the reactionary forms of Islam prevail in many of those countries now, is it? Also, it was the far-right in Israel who actively promoted and funded Hamas (as Bop Head already pointed out).
Anyway, I know and have known British Muslims, male and female, who would take umbrage at your comments.Last edited by James W; 09-18-2024 at 02:40 PM.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
He had to be a bad boy and now he's in trouble but he's innocent until proven guilty.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
(Re liberals: one of the parties in the left-wing coalition that got the most votes in the last elections here call themselves "islamo-gauchiste". I can't fathom that this is even possible in a secular country...)
And I agree it's not a genocide what's going on, no matter how much it looks like one or how badly you think about it for the rest. hamas don't claim to be a separate people and I don't think there's any indication that all Palestinians are being hunted down everywhere within easy reach outside of Gaza. But it's who they poked the bear, and it's they who hide behind civilian shields (not that this is so different in Israël itself I suppose).
I'd worry about my communication devices nowadays if I were in the pro-palestinian camp btw
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Originally Posted by RJVB
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Originally Posted by James W
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Originally Posted by RJVB
Israel's war crimes are well documented (including breaking virtually all the Geneva Convention Protocol laws).
However, you obviously don't know what constitutes a war crime, so here's a brief annotated U.S. congressional primer on the subject: crsreports.congress.gov
A general summation: "Under international humanitarian law, all sides in an armed conflict must distinguish between military targets and civilians and civilian structures, and direct attacks only at the former. Deliberate attacks on civilians or civilian objects – such as homes, medical facilities, schools, governmental buildings – that are not being used for military purposes are prohibited and are war crimes. Indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks (where the likely number of civilian casualties or damage to civilian property outweighs the anticipated military advantage to be gained) are also prohibited."
And an analysis of Israeli's military actions in Gaza: Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory - Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect
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Originally Posted by James W
Blaming everything on the West is bad history. Islam has enjoyed centuries of political and territorial power. Its attitudes towards women and homosexuals are written in the manual.
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I thought about doing another pro-Israel response in this thread but I decided instead to listen to a Wes Montgomery record, as it is a better use of my time.
Have fun guys.
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Let's start another music school thread
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Originally Posted by Litterick
By written in the manual I assume you mean the Koran? But there is plenty of unpleasant stuff in the Bible too.
As for being intellectually weak and morally nasty, these are just ad hominems.
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Originally Posted by bediles
Getting kind of tired of this forum. If I want actual productive and nice discussion I can just post on Open Studio.
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Originally Posted by Mick-7
Or maybe you think that all war crimes are genocide.
In the meantime I don't care a rat's arse what US congress thinks of this or that. The US don't have lessons to teach on the subject.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
I have several friends I went to North Texas with who were in the top AF and Army bands.
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Came again, hoping things had cooled, to post about my music school experience, but here we go again! There are places to go to vent and argue. I don’t feel like reading through that just to add to the original conversation.
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Originally Posted by JazzPadd
But one last thing: I do not know if you have seen the movies made by the the allied winners of WWII of Germans that were forced to visit the concentration camps of e.g. Dachau or Buchenwald to witness the crimes that had been committed by their people, by their country (my country). If you see those movies you will see the expression of horror and shock in their eyes as they realize what they have been complicit in by ignoring things and closing their eyes. There are not many left today of those you could ask how it feels to wake up one day and you realize you have been on the totally wrong side of history. But maybe I am shaking your little worlds more than you can stand.
The lessons that history teaches are more important than the lessons in music schools IMO. I live in a country that is drifting into fascism again with huge successes for a party with people saying things like "The Shoa was only a fly shit in history". And you live in a country that has been an important ally of the German Nazis. Israel has been taken over by right-winged extremists decades ago.
But OK, nothing to see here, I leave you alone in this thread, you can all go and polish your dear archtops now without further annoyance from my side.
Never again is for anyone. Shalom aleichem, Salam aleikum. PEACE!
PS: My music school was a life full of doubt and thoughtfullness that taught me how to play the blues ...
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My parents were classical pianists and they said music school would ruin me. I dabbled in a class or two and hated it.
I love dives. They're my people.
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I have a PhD from St. Tropez University in Osaka. I'm a labor relations consultant.
On a personal note, I'm in the world's worst techno band.
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My parents said college would ruin me. I'll never be respected in academia or the music business no matter how much experience I have.
They had strong feelings about it.
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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I went for a couple years. No guitar program though. It was ok but not really worth it for someone like me. Truthfully I had zero bad experiences with the music program people or students. A couple seniors were jerks that didn't really phase me. It wasn't a competitive environment. It was a bunch of kids going to school to teach music. Wouldn't go to school again, ever.
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