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    Quote Originally Posted by Onesimus
    After reading this thread, I am glad I went in the military. Less stress, fewer bullies, no drama. Ha! I did meet quite a few musicians in the different military branches bands. Most were music school grads. Steady income. It’s a great career often not thought of by most musicians.
    Never in my life miltary would have been an option for me.

    My father survived WWII and US war captivity, his older brother died somewhere in Ukraine (and I never had a chance to met some other uncles from that generation as well). I met my father's cousin (whose father's name is written in stone BTW) who had a wooden leg and a metal plate in his head.

    There is the story that Junior Mance told multiple times how getting into Cannonball Adderley's military band saved him from the fate of the rest of his unit -- death in Korea.

    War sucks -- and the reason for the existence of miltary are wars that serve to fill the pockets of banks, corporations and the filthy rich -- no matter what they tell you. I have heard story's from people serving in the German Bundeswehr who took part in secret worldwide operations -- but at the same time we have an army that is so run down thanks to the influence of neo-liberal business consultants that it alledgedly is unable to defend the country. Billions of tax money are burned by giving weapons to Ukraine and Israel for unjust wars and genocide. Guess where that money goes in the end?

    But Bop Head, all that comradeship and I learned getting along with others and working together? -- FCK you, get a job in a stagehand crew, unload and load a bunch of trucks at concerts and you will get the same thing without having to learn how to function in the killing of other human beings.





    EDIT: As I had just posted this photo of thousands of Swifties sitting on the mountain in Munich's Olympic Park: That mountain is built from the rubble of the city of Munich destroyed in WWII ... Shalom aleichem



    EDIT 2: I forgot one.



    EDIT 3: I forgot five more.











    (Haha when I was looking for "Feel like I'm fixing to die" the FCKing Google bot intelligence displayed me the number of the crisis line LOL)

    And this



    and this.
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    Machine Gun was an anti-war statement. Hendrix was just playing our national anthem at Woodstock.

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    Especially this one, hahaha. Village People for me is the embodiment of bad musical taste.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onesimus
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    You could have at least put this one



    or this one



    (I got to know this song when an uncle who had survived a direct hit on his Waffen SS tank with a kind of Niki Lauda face because of burning headphones played it for me on accordion.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onesimus
    After reading this thread, I am glad I went in the military. Less stress, fewer bullies, no drama. Ha! I did meet quite a few musicians in the different military branches bands. Most were music school grads. Steady income. It’s a great career often not thought of by most musicians.
    San Diego was the R&B underground in the 1980's. Everyone had some connection to the military one way or another when the 7th fleet was there. It was a trip to finally go back around 2017 and see National City. All the bars gone. It was a blast getting drunk with shipmates.
    Younger musicians, GenX basically wasn't interested in full time gigs overseas. It was a network- Osaka, Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore.
    That was done with in 1986.
    There were a number military reject musicians on the scene.

    Find a girl with far east eyes;


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    That's still a thing in the US, but not for the Arts.
    I was paid to do a three-year masters of fine arts program from my state university. It wasn't a pure scholarship; I had to work 20 hours a week in exchange for tuition, health insurance and a small stipend.
    I'm quite fortunate to not have any debt, unlike my friends who went to fancy private schools. But I have a thing about not going into debt, and there was no way I was taking out loans for a financially-dubious degree!
    So it does still exist, but it's just very rare.

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    Well, this thread didn't take long to go to reli-mili shit ... way to go for those music schools!

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    I’ve been following this thread for a bit, but when I came just now to share my experiences in music schools, it seems to have gone off topic and, with all due respect, off the rails. Perhaps I’ll try posting some other time. :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzPadd
    I’ve been following this thread for a bit, but when I came just now to share my experiences in music schools, it seems to have gone off topic and, with all due respect, off the rails. Perhaps I’ll try posting some other time. :-/
    You should post. Agreed about it having gone off-topic, but I think we were having a good discussion about music schools that wasn't finished.

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    I didn't go to music school. Probably just as well by the sound of it. But I did do music at school, which is slightly different, I expect.

    I remember we had a teacher, oldish man in his 50's. I thought he was a bit of a grouch but at a term-ending party he got up and sang 'Buddy, can you spare a dime'. It was brilliant and moving, really from the heart. Saw him in a different light after that. You never know what can happen.

    But in some support of music schools, I have definitely learnt a lot here from people who did go to one, the negative side notwithstanding. Just goes to show.

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    Most important for me when attending college were the connections and the available practice rooms. Only downside for me was taking mandatory classes I have no interest in and felt I could've been practicing during those times lol. If it wasn't for those connections I'd most likely be unemployed or stuck flipping burgers so yeah I say its generally worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bop Head
    Village People for me is the embodiment of bad musical taste.
    Since we're here ... how come those yanks never manage to pull off certain things with style...

    For those who went to music school, was it worth it?-freddiequeencrown1_1-jpg

    (and musical taste is just an illusion, ooh ooh aah ahh? )

    But seriously, I remember watching what I guess we'd call an origin story movie about the VP long ago, when I still listened to the all-times Top-100 style radio shows and only knew them from In the navy and YMCA. Probably highly romanticised but scanning the WP article about the group (still active, who'd have thought!) does suggest they must have played a not unimportant role in gay emancipation.

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    When I read posts from a German accusing Jews of genocide (anyone who thinks what is going on in Gaza amounts to a genocide is an idiot who clearly doesn't know what an actual genocide is), it reminds me that we live in a world where facts no longer matter.

    Music schools? Music education? I have a degree in Music (Minor) and Economics (Major) from NYU. The head of the Economics department told me that he had never seen an Econ major who minored in music before me. I told him that the Econ was building a pedigree for future employment while the music was something I actually liked. He did not seem too pleased with my explanation. I did find the mostly classical training I received at University back in the mid 70's to be very valuable in my musical journey.

    I have never experience any bullying from other musicians (if any ever tried, I would have "tuned them up" in short order) and the concept of death threats from pianists borders on the absurd. To the OP, perhaps boxing lessons or Marshal arts instruction might have been in order back in the day for you? Bullies only pick on those who won't or can't fight back.

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    My good friends who have spent the last year evacuating as much family as they can from Gaza might beg to differ. The amount of innocent women and children killed can only be described as an ethnic cleansing. They have lost literally dozens of family members.

    The problem of course is, Hamas wants the same of Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    My good friends who have spent the last year evacuating as much family as they can from Gaza might beg to differ. The amount of innocent women and children killed can only be described as an ethnic cleansing. They have lost literally dozens of family members.

    The problem of course is, Hamas wants the same of Israel.
    Innocents die in a war. Perhaps the Palestinians should not have elected Hamas into power ? The amount of innocents killed can most certainly be described as something else.

    If Israel wanted to do a genocide or ethnic cleansing, there would not be a single Arab in the Gaza strip.

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    I understand that for Americans the concept of genocide can be difficult to grasp, since the US has been almost constantly at war with various undeveloped countries for the last decades (basically bombarding them).

    Here's a good definition: Having more than two million people (about half of them under 15 years of age, so basically children) living surrounded by a wall for decades is a crime against humanity. Palestinians have a right to life, freedom and dignity as do all other people on earth. Genocide is waging a war with the biggest civilian casualties of any war ever recorded, having politicians declaring that "unfortunately the international climate doesn't allow us to starve all Palestinians to death", genocide is destroying whole cities with bombs, leaving civilians and kids with no food or water.

    Watch some other media besides the American ones some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    I understand that for Americans the concept of genocide can be difficult to grasp, since the US has been almost constantly at war with various undeveloped countries for the last decades (basically bombarding them).

    Here's a good definition: Having more than two million people (about half of them under 15 years of age, so basically children) living surrounded by a wall for decades is a crime against humanity. Palestinians have a right to life, freedom and dignity as do all other people on earth. Genocide is waging a war with the biggest civilian casualties of any war ever recorded, having politicians declaring that "unfortunately the international climate doesn't allow us to starve all Palestinians to death", genocide is destroying whole cities with bombs, leaving civilians and kids with no food or water.

    Watch some other media besides the American ones some time.
    In fairness it's probably not a case of all American media outlets being like that. My guess is that American mainstream media is no worse than the mainstream media in the UK. And I have read articles that suggest it's the same in Germany. It seems mainstream media across the west is complicit in genocide.

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    I don't regret going to music school and getting a Bachelor's degree (and later a Master's), but wouldn't necessarily recommend young upcoming musicians do so. I'm no longer a full time musician, but I know I wouldn't be as good of a musician if I hadn't gone through the schooling I did. A great teacher on your instrument can give you what you need assuming you have the talent and discipline to make the most of it. All the youtube videos out there don't hurt either .

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    Perhaps the conversations about genocide, the American military, Israel versus Palestine, etc., would be better served in a more appropriate thread than one discussing the value of attending music school. WTF? Have some self-control. Take it to the chitchat subforum, if you must.

    in terms of answering the OP's question, we have to decide what "worth it" actually means. "Worth it" in terms of personal development, musical skills, etc.? Or "worth it" in terms of being able to make a living and afford somewhere to live, have food on the table, pay for healthcare and maybe raise a family?

    I did not attend music school; I've never been able to sight read sheet music (despite 45 years of trying) so it didn't seem like there was any point in taking a whole lot of music classes. For the purpose of my career in psychology, undergraduate and graduate school were essential and very much "worth it." I had a fascinating career, hopefully helped people, maybe made the world a little better place one person at a time, and hopefully represented the needs and interests of the forgotten and underserved.

    When I think about the professional musicians I generally admire who are still living, almost all of them attended collegiate level music programs. Unlike the old days, there are now few jazz musicians without at least some of that background. Of course, it is almost impossible to make an actual living playing jazz. As one band leader, put it to me, "in 1968 we made $300 for a quartet for two sets; in 2022, we make $200 for four musicians to play two sets." It seems like current professional jazz musicians make most of their income from teaching other people how to play a form of music with little or no market rather than from gigging. For those who can make a successful go of it, my hat is off to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJVB
    Since we're here ... how come those yanks never manage to pull off certain things with style...

    For those who went to music school, was it worth it?-freddiequeencrown1_1-jpg

    (and musical taste is just an illusion, ooh ooh aah ahh? )

    But seriously, I remember watching what I guess we'd call an origin story movie about the VP long ago, when I still listened to the all-times Top-100 style radio shows and only knew them from In the navy and YMCA. Probably highly romanticised but scanning the WP article about the group (still active, who'd have thought!) does suggest they must have played a not unimportant role in gay emancipation.
    If we are talking about gays: I'll take Billy Strayhorn, James Booker and before all FREDDIE (GOAT!!!!) a billion times before that cheesy Village People crap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    When I read posts from a German accusing Jews of genocide (anyone who thinks what is going on in Gaza amounts to a genocide is an idiot who clearly doesn't know what an actual genocide is), it reminds me that we live in a world where facts no longer matter.

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    Once I told my Sinto buddy Rigo about my mother's stepfather. He said to me: "You know the Germans killed 1.5 millions of my father's people and 6 millions of my [Jewish] mother's people. But you were born in 1973, what does it have to do with you?"

    I do not have an inherited guilt, I have a responsibility -- the same responsibility as anyone in the world who has heard about the Porajmos and the Shoa.

    Never again is for anyone!

    Seems like you have not heard the story of the doctor who served voluntarily in one of the field hospitals in Gaza who said in Gaza for the first time of his life he held a toddler's brain in his hand. And it wasn't the last time.

    Seems like you have not heard the story of the Jewish American doctor who also served in a field hospital in Gaza who said he examined so many dead toddlers who did not only have a shot in the head but also a shot in the heart so perfect he could not have put his stethoscope better.

    An IDF sniper who shoots toddlers is a genocidal supremacist Nazi pig.

    And you did not talk to Israeli historian Moshe Zimmermann who confirmed me personally after a lecture in Munich that it was Benjamin Netanjahu who made Hamas big to weaken Fatah (PLO) by organizing their funding via Qatar -- classic DIVIDE ET IMPERA. When there was that general strike recently in Israel against Netanjahu the boss of the union talked about suitcases full of money that went to Qatar.

    Inform yourself about the so called Hannibal directive. They shot with helicopters into the cars at that techno festival. The bodies were so burnt that only after genetic tests it turned out that 200 of them were Palestinian fighters so they had to reduce the number of dead Israelis (many of them soldiers BTW) from 1400 to 1200. And those burnt cars were quickly scrapped and buried.

    The corrupt Bibi (who was so honored in the US where his also corrupt wife took tons of dirty laundry from Israel to the US hotel to let it wash there) would be immediately jailed if he lost power and immunity. That is why he does not want a ceasefire and wants to keep on and on with that damn war.

    His police minister Ben-Gvir and his financial minister Smotrich are genocidal Nazis.

    And so on.

    I owe to speak up to the memory of my grand uncle Ludwig Gehre who was in the Stauffenberg circle and got executed in Flossenbürg concentration camp one month before the German capitulation with Bonhoeffer and Canaris and to the memory of my dear grand aunt Josefine Hoffmann and her sister Gisela who did not hide one but two Jewish friends in their flat and who got honored as Righteous Among The Nations in Yad Vashem. I also owe to speak up those five Shoa survivors I grew up with (I know what reconcilation means!) who probably rotate at high speed in their graves because of what is commited in their names ...

    Wake up! Uru Achim!


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    Quote Originally Posted by James W
    In fairness it's probably not a case of all American media outlets being like that. My guess is that American mainstream media is no worse than the mainstream media in the UK. And I have read articles that suggest it's the same in Germany. It seems mainstream media across the west is complicit in genocide.
    Unfortunately true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    Innocents die in a war. Perhaps the Palestinians should not have elected Hamas into power ? The amount of innocents killed can most certainly be described as something else.

    If Israel wanted to do a genocide or ethnic cleansing, there would not be a single Arab in the Gaza strip.
    Text Translation: The Israeli plan for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza – Mondoweiss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cunamara
    Perhaps the conversations about genocide, the American military, Israel versus Palestine, etc., would be better served in a more appropriate thread than one discussing the value of attending music school. WTF? Have some self-control. Take it to the chitchat subforum, if you must.

    [..]
    There were several attempts starting dedicated critical threads regarding the Israel vs. Palestine conflict. Always someone took the effort to have them deleted soon. (One had been started by our Joel Fass BTW who always emphasized his Jewish-ness. I hope he is doing well.)


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    For those who went to music school, was it worth it?-386458887_120200563877350624_2693635779941014095_n-jpegFor those who went to music school, was it worth it?-405002998_3582207145349894_1509380705432597346_n-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    Innocents die in a war. Perhaps the Palestinians should not have elected Hamas into power ? The amount of innocents killed can most certainly be described as something else.

    If Israel wanted to do a genocide or ethnic cleansing, there would not be a single Arab in the Gaza strip.

    I try to avoid things regarding the middle east. It's not my holy land but my favorite DJ is a Palestinian named Sama. Access to water and women's rights.
    She'd also like to play gigs without getting arrested.