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Today, 06:29 AM
Yes, and he still is "unusually talented." I'm betting, though, that the main reason he got so "unusually good" at being a musician is that from the...
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Today, 06:21 AM
Get well soon!!
DG
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Today, 06:19 AM
Thank you Mark for those sad news.
I hope every single guitar will end up with someone who appreciated Mike, here on the forum or anywhere else.
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Today, 06:12 AM
I thought I would do a workshop update.
Last week I was book matching and butt joining veneers, and testing a few methods. I fired up the big...
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Today, 05:26 AM
I do all of these. I usually go into writing mode when i 'm working on a project, otherwise i prefer working on improvisation and technique. If...
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Today, 05:14 AM
Best wishes for a fast recovery Rob!
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Today, 05:13 AM
To get an idea of the size of the problem.
We know that the human body picks up a voltage from the surrounding mains wiring and can act as a...
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Today, 04:54 AM
Should be a beautiful guitar! From the top of my head, I believe it would be reasonable to price it anywhere between 10K-15K USD give or take. Ton of...
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Today, 04:53 AM
The Ab in All of Me is nice
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Today, 04:37 AM
Very sad to read those news ...
Sending healing vibes from Okinawa for a full recovery soon.
Just imagining your instruments waiting for you in...
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Today, 04:32 AM
All the very best wishes to you Rob.
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Today, 04:31 AM
Great, Doc, but it says ‘This Video Is Private’ - can’t hear a thing.
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Today, 04:28 AM
Best wishes, Rob, and get well soon. As things happen, I just recorded one of your compositions, actually in hommage to our church organist who is...
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Today, 04:23 AM
Sincerest thanks, guys. I did get sent home a couple of weeks ago, being told all would be well, only to wake up in the intensive care until three...
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Today, 04:09 AM
Neither, just byproduct of noodling around.
Sure why not? Worked for Bach.
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It matters a lot, naturally I wanna it to sell and be...
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Today, 04:07 AM
My thoughts, wishes, hopes and most sympathetic mojo are with you Rob. You have the gift of touching and reaching in your music. Here's back to you....
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Today, 03:51 AM
Also from my side best wishes! Hope you'll get better soon.
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Today, 03:46 AM
Hope you feel better soon Rob, love your work & I have learned a lot from watching your videos & reading what you share over the years.
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Today, 03:33 AM
Hello,
within the last year, I came to the conclusion that sooner or later I will part with this very special guitar due to severe shoulder...
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Today, 03:29 AM
Pat was obviously unusually talented as a youngster, but not knowing the names of what you are playing was fairly common back then. Theoretical...
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Today, 03:17 AM
Intriguing, especially the notion about the guitar coming from a Black background as opposed to the pure banjo. I always thought that the banjo was...
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Today, 03:15 AM
Rob feel better soon! God bless you. One of the best friends I’ve made through the forum.
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Today, 03:01 AM
Oscar is over playing during the vocal. He eases off a bit during the sax solo. Perhaps he and Nat had a squabble earlier!!
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Today, 02:53 AM
I've not seen cash, a card, nor a wallet, in a long time.
But that card holder does look pretty neat.
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Today, 02:11 AM
All the best, Rob.
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Today, 01:55 AM
Best wishes Rob. :encouragement:
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Today, 01:37 AM
nevershouldhavesoldit, I agree with your writeup about being tactful when accompanying a singer. And I saw that I overlooked that you wrote that...
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Today, 01:28 AM
nevershouldhavesoldit, I follow your post and I think it's logical, I just disagree. I think the bridge is also a chassis ground. My experience when...
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Today, 01:00 AM
Sorry to hear. Hope you get well as soon as possible. All the best.
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Today, 12:41 AM
Maybe Mike or his manager asked to delete the videos? Just saying it might be a possibility.
Doug
EDIT: I emailed Frank V asking for an...
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Today, 12:37 AM
Thanks, guys. My brain can’t talk to my tongue - so I can’t speak - or to my throat, so I can’t eat - and now to my lungs, so I can’t breathe. But we...
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Today, 12:32 AM
Often enough, yes.
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Yesterday, 11:57 PM
Healing vibes from California. Feel better soon, Rob.
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Yesterday, 11:55 PM
Pamo, you seem like you have a bee in your bonnet or something. Let it go, bro. Okay? I'm not here to argue with people. I'm here to give my humble...
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Yesterday, 11:48 PM
Definitely nothing wrong with playing with a track...I do that often and will be doing plenty of that in this thread as the Summer progresses.
A...
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Yesterday, 11:37 PM
Hey Mike.. (via Deacon..) I still have every Yunzhi and Wu guitar I bought. They were my first archtops and your insights were key to getting them....
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Yesterday, 11:34 PM
Nobody else gonna talk about Dewey Square?
To spark conversation, I'd like to change my response to Eb Mixolydian until the C7 bar in which I'd...
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Yesterday, 11:33 PM
Had to google...sounds really unpleasant. Rob, get well soon. Positive healing vibes on the way.
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Yesterday, 11:27 PM
Best wishes Rob, one of the class acts on the forum!
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Yesterday, 11:25 PM
Best wishes to Rob.. medical sucks. Please let him know his presence is missed.
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Yesterday, 11:19 PM
He didn't say but told me he was starting his second round of treatments.
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Yesterday, 11:19 PM
Not to split hairs, but I believe this thread was dormant until you revived it to point out how distressing it was that the word "arpeggio" didn't...
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Yesterday, 11:08 PM
It's too bad some people seem to get hung up on terminology, because you are absolutely right, when it comes to the part about actually making music,...
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Yesterday, 11:06 PM
I know I'm being less than generous, but he's just about got on my last nerve. It's probably time to begin ignoring some posts.
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Yesterday, 11:04 PM
I'm friends with him on FB and he posted a photo of him in his hospital bed - they had him pretty wired up yesterday and on a respirator. Had they...
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Yesterday, 10:49 PM
That is the part I was asking about earlier in the thread. I'm trying to understand if you are experiencing the process of improvisation differently...
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Yesterday, 10:43 PM
I just spoke to Rob today because i hadn't seen him on the forum and he told me he is under treatment for myasthenia gravis.He says to say hi to...
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Yesterday, 10:22 PM
Or maybe it's fruit salad in this case.
I got the guard/rest, mounting bracket & P-90 spacers today. I am argumentatively sure this is older, like...
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Yesterday, 10:02 PM
But I know where a ‘58 can be found.
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Yesterday, 09:48 PM
As I often say in threads where Mike is mentioned, there are few musicians who beam with such joy when playing.
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Yesterday, 09:34 PM
I've got the striped shirt but not the hair. Damn it! I came so close.:redface-new::doh:
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Yesterday, 09:12 PM
Yes, it's nice, but I don't like the part where he moves up the fret-board from the Fm6 to Em7/Am7 and plays open E & A strings for the bass line,...
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Yesterday, 08:44 PM
My motivation for responding to this is not to deride it. I simply don’t like seeing erroneous statements left unchallenged, because others accept...
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Yesterday, 08:36 PM
@AdroitMage said “It does look like his 15's were probably JBL's then. That would mean that his 15's were alnico magnet speakers too, because,...
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Yesterday, 08:34 PM
Hey, this looks awesome! Thanks for posting. I've never looked at Truefire before.
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Yesterday, 08:26 PM
It may be from having been playing for over 60 years, but that thought and visualization are ever present - I can't turn it on and off. I like to...
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Yesterday, 08:11 PM
Those half notes are a powerful tool. Just the notion that you can’t play a complete triad on most chord changes is really useful. Or more to the...
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Yesterday, 07:44 PM
Never in all my days have i ever wanted a George Benson Ibanez of any kind. The only thing I could use from George is his chops. I am not even...
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Yesterday, 07:44 PM
Thanks for that great info. I have read the quote from his website before, HUGE Metheny fan here.:redface-new: I had never seen the one you posted...
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Yesterday, 07:34 PM
Well that’s the goal. In the final analysis terminology doesn’t matter.
But - It’s a hell of a job breaking that muscle memory aspect though....
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Yesterday, 07:25 PM
The more I think about this, the more I think “arpeggio” sticks for guitarists (and I’m not knocking it, and I totally use it all the time) because...
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Yesterday, 07:09 PM
Apologies to any recovering alcoholics out there but this reminds me of the saying "practise like a scientist, play like a drunk" (btw, I had a good...
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Yesterday, 07:02 PM
Otoh Wikipedia says this
‘An arpeggio (Italian: ) is a type of broken chord in which the notes that compose a chord are individually sounded in a...
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Yesterday, 06:50 PM
Reacting to this once more after seeing the Kirk guitar a few more times in different videos:
That Kirk Sand nylon stringer seems to be closer...
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Yesterday, 06:47 PM
I think anyone who posts quotes from ChatGPT deserves all the derision he gets, as does a keyboard player posing as an authority on guitars. It...
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Yesterday, 06:41 PM
When George Benson updated his GB200 to the LGB300 he had them add a Florentine cut.
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Yesterday, 06:33 PM
Nice, who makes it?
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Yesterday, 06:27 PM
Me neither. But I think you will find that the '58-'59 Venetian s with PAF's are the biggest ticket items!:smile-new:
Extremely hard to find.
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Yesterday, 06:27 PM
ok sorry i was wrong about the
pitch thing
:stupid:
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Yesterday, 06:24 PM
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....
I actually just tried this so you wouldn't say I was unfairly dismissing your hypothesis. I did it with my Epi...
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Yesterday, 06:22 PM
Aesthetically, it’s Venetian for me without a doubt. Overall, I just prefer a non-cut, and that includes for electric.
Deacon Mark, I think the...
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Yesterday, 06:18 PM
Florentine cuts were already around w the intro of the ES-175 but it was Kenny Burrell that got the ball rolling on them w/ Super 400's, L-5s and the...
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Yesterday, 06:14 PM
Florentine vs Venetian: which one is better?
Whichever cutaway is on any given archtop I'm selling on this forum is better, of course.
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Yesterday, 06:08 PM
Great advice. This is a very nice section.
I'm getting my fingers under this stuff now as well and it is quite gratifying to play when you get...
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Yesterday, 05:56 PM
I consider them triads unless there's a 7th added to the sus4.
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Yesterday, 05:55 PM
Upper structure extensions of the chord and alterations of the chord would also be chord tones.
Sorry to … um … split hairs.
Anyway … arpeggio...
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Yesterday, 05:53 PM
I've spent this afternoon working with the Coda section and have come to appreciate the way Arnold has constructed this section. There is some very...
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Yesterday, 05:51 PM
I’m confused as to why the Florentine would cause more breaks? Surely the inner radius of the Venetian is greater because it has to do more bending?...
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Yesterday, 05:31 PM
I beg to differ on that point. Here is what Merriam-Webster's dictionary has as the definition for arpeggio:
arpeggio
1: production of the...
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Yesterday, 05:23 PM
Bars 7 and 8 of Martin Taylors chord melody of Don't Get Around.... in Dmajor.
On the word 'more' :
| Abm7b5/Gm7/ | D(f# in bass) /// |
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Yesterday, 05:11 PM
10-4. Up to now, I've only heard about a tri-tone sub being used as a primary or secondary sub and just assumed that was the only appropriate use of...
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Yesterday, 05:07 PM
If there isn't going to be a lengthy debate about what a triad means on a playing the changes thread, then they might as well shut down the forum.
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Yesterday, 05:06 PM
When speaking of L-5s and Super 400s, I believe that a Florentine cutaway guitar will have a larger neck-block than a Venetian cutaway guitar, as...
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Yesterday, 05:02 PM
You are talking about tritone sub of a dominant perhaps? But here it is a major chord.
A substitution always preserves the fundamental role of a...
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Yesterday, 04:59 PM
It’s just like BM to pay it forward! I hope he has it comfortable and is at peace. He has a good soul!
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Yesterday, 04:59 PM
I presume the context is more what **** should people work on first, rather than trying to define what is and isn’t a triad?
Sent from my iPhone...
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Yesterday, 04:52 PM
So, I see what you're saying but...isn't the Tritone used to create tension and dissonance? Isn't it used to LEAD to the tonic?? Not be the tonic.
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Yesterday, 04:42 PM
The best one is the one you haven't got a great example of. Or the one that you only have a few of.
Just to confirm my heretic status: I think the...
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Yesterday, 04:37 PM
Nice guitar. Frank Hicks?GLWTS.
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Yesterday, 04:35 PM
Not finding much time to record but thought I'd throw this up. I like playing to a metronome so you hear some swoosh in the background
Nice...
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Yesterday, 04:30 PM
A great thread and interesting topic. Sound wise I hear little difference between venetian and sharp cutaways. To the point though for best acoustic...
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Yesterday, 04:11 PM
Dbm7b5 is the tritone substitution of Gmaj.
The notes are: Db Fb Abb Cb
Enharmonically: C# E G B
That's G6#11. Would work particularly well as the...
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Yesterday, 04:10 PM
*Shrugs*
Maybe.
When we were saying “triad” with no additional modifier, though, we’re probably talking about three note, tertian, and...
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Yesterday, 04:09 PM
I was hoping to see if there might be a Super Eagle in the batch at Butler but they told me no when I called. I'll likely grab one of his Ibanezes...
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Yesterday, 04:09 PM
what is your choice for strings on your Sand?
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Yesterday, 04:07 PM
I have no opinion on tonal difference but the access difference is enough for me to wish that my Ibanez had a Florentine cutaway. I've lost some...
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Yesterday, 04:06 PM
Sus2 and sus4 might not be considered triads?
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Yesterday, 04:00 PM
Of course there are differences. In physical objects everything matters. The question is, how much difference is there?
My guess (based on...
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Yesterday, 03:52 PM
Some actually bum me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJqe9pC-z-Y
Or they make me laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w
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Yesterday, 03:47 PM
Pianist who play 10 notes at a time bug me
Play the note and press the head stock of your guitar to the top of the box where your speaker is...
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Yesterday, 03:39 PM
yes
yes
probably not
yes
probably
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Yesterday, 03:37 PM
Not sure how/why this album can already be streamed freely from YT but here we go:
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Yesterday, 03:35 PM
...more definition queries...
Triads
- does this include inversions?
- does this include rootless extensions?
- does this include any three...
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Yesterday, 03:29 PM
The original Heritage builders told me Florentines are harder to make and have more breakage in the process. Obviously the Florentine gives a little...
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Yesterday, 03:27 PM
More on accent patterns …
https://youtu.be/W2O1vgpSVz4?si=5QP-oqGIMmhLlrb3
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Yesterday, 03:13 PM
I just bought the Yunzhi directly from Butler for $850 + $60 shipping. It sounds like Mike really liked it, and that's good enough for me! Thanks for...
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Yesterday, 03:08 PM
Love the new tuning peg design - beat that, art-deco headstocks! shreddin'
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Yesterday, 03:04 PM
Awesome headstock repair :smile-new:
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Yesterday, 02:57 PM
Get some help,to get this worked up over my original post is absurd to say the least.Continue fighting on because i am out.
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Yesterday, 02:56 PM
Agreed.
Can someone explain why he says the #IV m7b5 acts as a tonic??
For example in the key of G, a Dbm7b5 doesn't sound good in a II V I...
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Yesterday, 02:54 PM
I currently still have 29, but planning to get this number down to the single digits. I’ve always been too lazy to get around to selling gear. Lol. I...
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Yesterday, 02:52 PM
LBG is more like
I IV7 I V7
You wouldn’t tend to play II7
I mentioned it because Bird makes a feature of that II7, using the A train chord...
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Yesterday, 02:51 PM
It's not YT. Try not to be so...biting my tongue. Drop it. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Yesterday, 02:48 PM
I mean … they both make sense, no?
Lady Be Good is pretty doggone close.
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Yesterday, 02:46 PM
That makes more sense….
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Yesterday, 02:46 PM
Also some thread cross pollination. Lady Be Good uses that iv minor but also the #iv diminished in the B section, both serving the same purpose.
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Yesterday, 02:46 PM
Yeah this reminds me …
Barry said it’s hard to be as free with scale use as with chord tones and intervals.
Pentatonics are freeing because...
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Yesterday, 02:43 PM
it's yardbird suite with a LBG bridge.
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Yesterday, 02:41 PM
It figures that one of the few times i didn't watch live they took the video down.It is strange that it's only the Mike Stern ones but i doubt any...
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Yesterday, 02:41 PM
And pentatonics, which haven’t really come up much here. Which is interesting because they sort of purposefully obscure that scale/arpeggio,...
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Yesterday, 02:34 PM
Not finding much time to record but thought I'd throw this up. I like playing to a metronome so you hear some swoosh in the background ...
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Yesterday, 02:30 PM
You have probably checked out the lesson recording someone posted online years ago with Pat teaching this. that recording is great advice for the...
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Yesterday, 02:30 PM
Thanks for that!! Sorry about the delayed response - it's been a very busy 2 weeks, with 7 gigs in 14 days.
I don't have an organized approach -...
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Yesterday, 02:17 PM
Sure, the words "chord tones" works too, but the advice I gave came pretty much verbatim from a Pat Metheny interview I read many moons ago, where he...
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Yesterday, 02:15 PM
It’s Eb lady be good with a minor IV
Edit: although I suppose the II7 chord is more prominent in the A so maybe not.
Sent from my iPhone...
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Yesterday, 02:05 PM
There's not a single Mike Stern video left from guitar night from what I can tell.
It would be a big bummer if it had to do with the negativity...
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Yesterday, 02:00 PM
From Pat Metheny’s “PM Radio” from Pat Metheny : Pat Metheny: Home
Subject: Guitar Sound
Category: Guitars
From: Jazz Online (sf,ca)
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Yesterday, 01:44 PM
That's why it is YT causing it which is what said.Calm down next time and try not to be so nasty in your response.
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Yesterday, 01:43 PM
From what I could see the app also has one knob for EQ.
What did I miss?
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Yesterday, 01:43 PM
Great post.
To all the de - railers - Time to get back on topic please!!:smile-new:
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Yesterday, 01:35 PM
it APPEARS that he's playing left handed but he's not.
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Yesterday, 01:35 PM
Zoom will do that unless you set it to “mirror”.
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Yesterday, 01:35 PM
This has been my experience as well. Different woods, different saddles, full contact vs. a 2 foot contact all make a difference in tone. More than...
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Yesterday, 01:34 PM
I first heard the min7b5, as used at the beginning of this vid, by Martin Taylor doing Don't Get Around Much Anymore in the 90s.
I didn't know about...
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Yesterday, 01:29 PM
A section, I'm probably playing Eb maj/ blues ideas until the C7, then it's just a standard turnaround...
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Yesterday, 01:27 PM
Is this video showing his right hand fingering the fretboard.I don't know about you but i call that left handed.Come on back at you.
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Yesterday, 01:23 PM
I'll be near Birmingham for a family trip this summer. Any venues or artists I should try to see while I'm down there?
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Yesterday, 01:00 PM
Can't beat the old Barry Galbraith Chord Melody book for getting idea's for harmonizing tunes.
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Yesterday, 12:54 PM
He's obviously not playing left-handed and it's obviously not a YouTube bug. Come on
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Yesterday, 12:54 PM
Nice looking instrument. What are the spec’s, ie body width/depth, nut width, scale?
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Yesterday, 12:47 PM
Luthier built archtop. Only about 30 of these were built, this one from 1998, pre-Del Arte.
Solid bookmatched Sitka spruce top; solid AAAA ...
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Yesterday, 12:46 PM
Eb Abm Eb C7
F7 — Bb7 —
Ab Abm Eb C7
F7 — Bb7 —
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Yesterday, 12:34 PM
Phrasing "arpeggio up, scale down" is perhaps the easiest, comprehensible, and readily applicable basis for good sounding Jazz lines on the guitar......
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Yesterday, 12:32 PM
OK... this is not for beginners or players who don't already have an approach for playing in a jazz style or jazz tunes....
So in the simi bop...
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Yesterday, 12:19 PM
Why is this video showing Tim playing left handed?I'm assuming it's some kind of YT bug.
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Yesterday, 11:55 AM
Nancy's rendition is very soulful - and has a guitar in it, which makes it a sure thing. :smile-new:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WanY8nGsa9M
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