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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    The nice thing about bop heads is there's a "right" way to play them!
    That also make them more like Classical music pieces, just with a lot of sincopation and dissonnance. Play one note wrong or misplace in rhythm, and you 'failed'. Where is the freedom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive View Post
    That also make them more like Classical music pieces, just with a lot of sincopation and dissonnance. Play one note wrong or misplace in rhythm, and you 'failed'. Where is the freedom?
    well you can reinterpret them.... there are variations....

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    I find bop heads easier than song melodies myself.
    I think that's probably pretty unusual. I definitely find bop heads more difficult.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    The nice thing about bop heads is there's a "right" way to play them!
    Really? Nobody tell Bird that ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    well you can reinterpret them...
    What part?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John A. View Post
    I think that's probably pretty unusual. I definitely find bop heads more difficult.

    John
    They're just notes. If you have an effective technique and enough time, the problem of learning them is essentially trivial. One secret - don't try and pick every note... Learn how to slur in a bebop way...

    The bonus is you learn 50 bebop heads and you have enough language to play bop (David Baker...) Bop language is kind of nuts'n'bolts... That not the sum total of the genius of Bird, but you can appreciate the extent to which this is true when you look at the generation Bird influenced.

    Interpreting a melody is a real artform. There so much that goes into this... Much more mysterious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive View Post
    What part?
    Listen to Bird live and compare to recorded versions....

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    They're just notes. If you have an effective technique and enough time, the problem of learning them is essentially trivial. One secret - don't try and pick every note... Learn how to slur in a bebop way...

    The bonus is you learn 50 bebop heads and you have enough language to play bop (David Baker...) Bop language is kind of nuts'n'bolts... That not the sum total of the genius of Bird, but you can appreciate the extent to which this is true when you look at the generation Bird influenced.

    Interpreting a melody is a real artform. There so much that goes into this... Much more mysterious...
    My problem is more with hearing them than playing them. Once I've actually got the melody correctly in my head, physically playing it is not a big deal (to a point;Donna Lee at 300 BPM ain't gonna happen no matter how well I might hear it). But I find getting the rhythms, offbeatss, leaps, etc. right to be a challenge. GASB tunes have way less of this, in general.

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    Learning Melodies

    Quote Originally Posted by John A. View Post
    My problem is more with hearing them than playing them. Once I've actually got the melody correctly in my head, physically playing it is not a big deal (to a point;Donna Lee at 300 BPM ain't gonna happen no matter how well I might hear it). But I find getting the rhythms, offbeatss, leaps, etc. right to be a challenge. GASB tunes have way less of this, in general.

    John
    It’s a challenge for sure! I’d have to be insane to say otherwise.... but there’s a clear ground map....

    Rhythm? Well count the beat in 4/4 or 2/2 while you play the line. Map it. Lock it in. Play with the record. Play to click, and so on. Hard, but measurable outcomes and you know it’s tough so you don’t feel a fool for failing at it sometimes.

    It will teach you vocabulary - harmonic, melodic, and rhythmic.

    But learning a melody to a song? Well 1) phrasing - There’s no single right way to do it, but weak melody playing, man, sticks out. Makes everything else sound like amateur hour. I think guitarists are weak at melodies? Perhaps it’s just me.

    It’s why trio (bass/drums) gigs are hard. I can’t rattle off bop heads so much because they sound thin in a trio. Strong melodies sound great... but you have to play them strong.

    Even just mistakes... miss a couple of notes in DL and pick it up again... fine. Mess up a note in a standard.... you don’t have to be a musician to spot that. You’re naked.

    It’s like Mozart. I’m told many concert pianists terrified of Mozart. Too simple. Revolution etude, Liszt etc. Fine. Makes the piano roar; you feel like a badass if you can play it...

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    Learning Melodies

    Oh singing bop heads through slowly is something that’s quite hard sometimes but good practice... getting the pitching exact is a challenge...

    Also, transposing them to different keys is a good exercise.. not to performance level, but as a fretboard mapping exercise. Doing it by ear - if you can’t hear it you can’t play it...

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    Learning melodies teaches a lot if you really learn it and express it... the simplicity of standard tunes sometimes work against us.. They seem so familiar and easy that we think we know how to play them without really learning)

    As said some time ago I even enjoy learning standard tune thouroughly... its structure, motives, development of motives and harmonic realtions... because it makes feel the song inside out...
    You play every note with confidence and meaning...

    By the way I remember the discussion I had with my teacher long ago about 1st chord of Can't Get Started... seems to be so simple but teh question was exactly about the melody - is it really Cmaj7 or C triad or C6 (followed by its inversion A-7)...
    And that teacher always stopped if he saw that I tried to play the tune on the spot by ear... actually my first visit to him was a shame... because I could not really play a single tune)) Even the Autumn leaves.. he stopped and said: you think you began to improvize right away? No, you just did not learn the tune...

    But after the first lesson when was leaving he said... ''learn the tunes and so you'll be a great tuneplayer you know these guys 'fantastic tune-players' and then the vamp comes and oops... just kidding it's not about you''
    I am not sure if he was kidding...

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