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View Poll Results: Do you use the Coltrane change in your soloing ? | |
Yes, pretty often
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Well, sometimes...
|   | 9 | 20.45% | |
Not at all
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The what ?
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F**k theory ! |   | 3 | 6.82% | 
10-20-2009, 04:12 AM
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| | Markov chains and deep structural analysis of the combinatorial asymptoptic asmosis.
Jesus Christ, that's the sort of thing that made me abandon my nightmarish journey into the world of computer science and math and go BACK into music in the first place. I REFUSE to read it under pain of waterboarding. Period. If jazz becomes all about that, I will then switch to simple blues or something.
__________________ There is always time to learn. | 
10-20-2009, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SwingSwangSwung | There's 92 pages of that cr@p??
+1 on Franco's comment - throw it away and play the tune, then change it slightly, then change it slightly more. That's jazz enough for me, buddy!
Anything more than that, I'll play a blues. Over everything. | 
10-20-2009, 06:10 AM
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| | What a great document ! I can't wait to read it !
...well, I guess I'll have to take some maths lessons before, it looks
tough !
There must be a lot of such thesis, this one looks quite "clear" but
I agree this kind of analysis shouldn't replace the ear.
peace | 
11-19-2009, 03:01 PM
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| | I wonder if john Cotrane was wrapped in all this rocket science, if he was
no wonder he went modal,it's easier,is'nt it?. When all else fails we've still
got the blue's..LG.. | 
11-20-2009, 03:27 AM
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| | I actually think that that kind of analysis of jazz is a very interesting viewpoint to have; to me, it shows just how amazing jazz soloists are when compared to computers; it shows that they can't be replaced. | 
11-20-2009, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by larry graves I wonder if john Cotrane was wrapped in all this rocket science, if he was
no wonder he went modal,it's easier,is'nt it?. When all else fails we've still
got the blue's..LG.. |
Not necessarily easier, just different. Easier to "hear" certainly, IMO. Anyway, for a musician of the level of Coltrane, I think he probably just tired of the "change running", harmonic exploration and, under the influence of Indian and African music, wanted to try more melodic and rhytmtic experimentation. The "modal" allows more space and time for that, and then the free stuff even more so.
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11-20-2009, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Shadow of the Sun I actually think that that kind of analysis of jazz is a very interesting viewpoint to have; to me, it shows just how amazing jazz soloists are when compared to computers; it shows that they can't be replaced. |
Fair point. It is useful in its academic way.
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11-20-2009, 11:35 AM
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| | Free is right, Coltrane went so free that nobody could play with him, except a couple of drummers. If he had lived I wonder how free he would
have become?. Is there a limit before you vanish in a puff of smoke?.
It would be great to just pick up the guitar and make it all up as you go
along__ 'Is there an audience out there?.. It can be a cop out though for
some--Noise guitar etc...
Flatwounds are the best ar--round
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Reason: Left something out.
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11-20-2009, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by franco6719 Markov chains and deep structural analysis of the combinatorial asymptoptic asmosis.
Jesus Christ, that's the sort of thing that made me abandon my nightmarish journey into the world of computer science and math and go BACK into music in the first place. I REFUSE to read it under pain of waterboarding. Period. If jazz becomes all about that, I will then switch to simple blues or something. | Giant steps--great song, anyone know the words?.. | 
11-20-2009, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by larry graves Giant steps--great song, anyone know the words?.. | Giant steps in giant shoes:
Actually, many people have had a go at setting lyrics to Giant Steps. | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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