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| View Poll Results: Do you use the Coltrane change in your soloing ? | |||
| Yes, pretty often |    | 9 | 15.00% |
| Well, sometimes... |    | 13 | 21.67% |
| Not at all |    | 19 | 31.67% |
| The what ? |    | 15 | 25.00% |
F**k theory !  |    | 4 | 6.67% |
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#31
10-19-2009, 05:26 PM
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 Talk about analyzing Giant Steps! I found this on the net. Wow - finally someone who looks at improvisation exactly like I do...........  http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/ava...ted/dmfetd.pdf
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#32
10-20-2009, 04:12 AM
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| Markov chains and deep structural analysis of the combinatorial asymptoptic asmosis. Jesus Christ, that's the sort of thing that made me abandon my nightmarish journey into the world of computer science and math and go BACK into music in the first place. I REFUSE to read it under pain of waterboarding. Period. If jazz becomes all about that, I will then switch to simple blues or something. |
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#33
10-20-2009, 06:05 AM
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 +1 on Franco's comment - throw it away and play the tune, then change it slightly, then change it slightly more. That's jazz enough for me, buddy!  Anything more than that, I'll play a blues. Over everything. |
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#34
10-20-2009, 06:10 AM
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| What a great document ! I can't wait to read it ! ...well, I guess I'll have to take some maths lessons before, it looks tough ! There must be a lot of such thesis, this one looks quite "clear" but I agree this kind of analysis shouldn't replace the ear. peace |
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#35
11-19-2009, 03:01 PM
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| I wonder if john Cotrane was wrapped in all this rocket science, if he was no wonder he went modal,it's easier,is'nt it?. When all else fails we've still got the blue's..LG.. |
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#36
11-20-2009, 03:27 AM
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| I actually think that that kind of analysis of jazz is a very interesting viewpoint to have; to me, it shows just how amazing jazz soloists are when compared to computers; it shows that they can't be replaced. |
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#37
11-20-2009, 04:43 AM
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Not necessarily easier, just different. Easier to "hear" certainly, IMO. Anyway, for a musician of the level of Coltrane, I think he probably just tired of the "change running", harmonic exploration and, under the influence of Indian and African music, wanted to try more melodic and rhytmtic experimentation. The "modal" allows more space and time for that, and then the free stuff even more so. |
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#38
11-20-2009, 04:45 AM
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Fair point. It is useful in its academic way. |
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#39
11-20-2009, 11:35 AM
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| Free is right, Coltrane went so free that nobody could play with him, except a couple of drummers. If he had lived I wonder how free he would have become?. Is there a limit before you vanish in a puff of smoke?. It would be great to just pick up the guitar and make it all up as you go along__ 'Is there an audience out there?.. It can be a cop out though for some--Noise guitar etc... Flatwounds are the best ar--round Last edited by larry graves : 11-20-2009 at 11:38 AM. Reason: Left something out. |
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11-20-2009, 11:59 AM
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#41
11-20-2009, 12:04 PM
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Actually, many people have had a go at setting lyrics to Giant Steps. | ||||
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#42
04-21-2010, 03:24 AM
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| I have never in all of my born days, think I'd live to see a thread on a JAZZ site, that goes on and on hacking on the Coltrane changes. And Coltrane. I mean, just, wow.....
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#43
04-21-2010, 02:01 PM
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 Con-Fusion  Coltrane basic changes in G. Ami7-Bb7-Ebmaj7-F#7-Bmaj7-D7-Gma7. It's that simple. Fusion! what's that? Rock and roll, without the rock!..Larry G.Last edited by larry graves : 04-21-2010 at 02:08 PM. |
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04-22-2010, 07:45 AM
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#46
04-22-2010, 11:56 AM
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And after reading the negative comments here, I am just stunned. Coltrane was one of the jazz language's greatest innovators. And his playing is alternately beautiful, sensitive and sublime, as well as intense, physical and bold. To me, some of these comments here about Coltrane are like saying that Wes played like a wimp. Just crazy......
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#47
04-24-2010, 04:49 AM
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| Oh, I agree completely. Coltrane was THE greatest improviser of the 20th century (if not the greatest and most creative musician) in my opinion. There are, of course, a lot of petty whiners in the world of jazz, as in all sectors of the world, who like to tear down things that they cannot even come close to beginning to fathom. What else can be said? |
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#48
03-20-2011, 06:03 PM
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| i use the first five notes and five chords in giant steps as an exercise and use as many positions. chord inversions and keys as possible...a great way to do a fretboard intensive... every now and then i can use part of it in a structured song...but i can use most of it in alot of solo work... |
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#49
03-27-2011, 03:34 PM
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Linear Mode
