Pat Martino on sacred Geometry

bobsguitars09 · #1 10-08-2011, 11:29 AM

I REALLY want to figure this out.

Can someone explain to me what Pat Martino is talking about here? I just can not figure out exactly what he is talking about. I know its just me. can anyone sum it up a bit for me?

Thank you!

Pat Martino on sacred Geometry - YouTube

jmstritt · #2 10-08-2011, 01:41 PM

Pat is a great player, but when I have heard him explain some of his concepts I just get lost.

Sandor · #3 10-08-2011, 03:31 PM

Which part of it are you confused about? Maybe you are getting confused by his BS? I love pat's playing, but he has a tendency to add a lot of BS into his explanations to try and sound deep.

The title basically has nothing to do with what was in the clip, the first part is just showing how some intervals are more dissonant than others. The chord part is basic stuff, just read up on chord construction etc.

M-ster · #4 10-08-2011, 03:39 PM

It's a little bit of free association on the topic of consonant and dissonant intervals, isn't it?

I think there are other videos from this conversation. (Pat's dressed the same, same room, etc.) But, I'm not sure that they clarify anything.

Billnc · #5 10-08-2011, 09:40 PM

I thought this was going to be about the star and stuff (those familiar with Pat know what I mean).
His approach is all about conversion to minor lines (minor chord tones and chromatic, scalar, enclosure approaches to them etc.)
If there is a minor triad in any chord (in this case Emi/A) or Emi/C Ami/C for a C major chord etc you can play that line over a chord. The genius with this is you can logically use the same line in many different situations, and like anything else this requires study.
I found it quite interesting to find all the uses for one line.
His analogies are weird as hell, I do not associate stairs with sound in any way shape or form. A quarter tone bend on stairs can lead to a nasty fall.
I have had a few hour private lesson with him.

AlohaJoe · #6 10-09-2011, 01:42 AM

The Jude Gold article Master Class, Sacred Geometry from the April, 2004 issue of Guitar Player is available as a PDF here.

It's worth the read... the augmented/diminished stuff is very interesting and there are valuable insights to be found there. I thought it was so cool I saved it for some day in the future day when I could understand it.

bobsguitars09 · #7 10-09-2011, 04:15 PM

http://www.patmartino.com/Articles/G...April_2004.pdf

thanks everyone! will have to do some researching

jzucker · #8 10-10-2011, 08:00 PM

Pat likes to take simple concepts and make them sound metaphysical. His entire style is based on applying min7 sounds over other chords.

Fmaj 7 = Dm, Am, Em
C7 = Gm, Bbm, Dbm
Gm7b5 = Bbm

It's pretty simple. But sacred geometry sounds cool...

Billnc · #9 10-10-2011, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzucker

Pat likes to take simple concepts and make them sound metaphysical. His entire style is based on applying min7 sounds over other chords.

Fmaj 7 = Dm, Em, Gm
C7 = Gm, Bbm, Dbm
Gm7b5 = Bbm

It's pretty simple. But sacred geometry sounds cool...

Wouldn't the primary minors be Dm and Am for Fmaj 7?

jzucker · #10 10-10-2011, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billnc

Wouldn't the primary minors be Dm and Am for Fmaj 7?

yes , thanks for the correction

cosmic gumbo · #11 10-11-2011, 03:15 AM

I think that Yoda used sacred geometry when he taught guitar to Jedi.

Philco · #12 10-11-2011, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo

I think that Yoda used sacred geometry when he taught guitar to Jedi.

Yes he did.
It started out as just Geometry.
But there was a meeting and they decided to call it Sacred Geometry.
You can't just use the Force to learn it.
They renamed the Force to something else so you could learn Sacred Geometry but I forget what the name is.
So it's hard to learn SACRED GEOMETRY.
Although I'm not a Jedi.
And I haven't met Yoda.
But I had a McDonalds free toy that looked a lot like him.

SACRED GEOMETRY.

It looks good in capital letters.

Philco · #13 10-11-2011, 05:23 AM

See but there's more to it.

Here is a quote from the Pat Martino interview....

"If there’s one common misconception people have about geniuses, it’s the notion that these stellar intellects engage only in the most strenuous of thought; that in order to even hold a conversation with one of these brainiacs you need an Ivy League PhD, an IQ of 200 or more and a bulbous cranium that makes you look like a character from Star Trek."

Did you see that quote.............."character from Star Trek" ?????

Now my friends.........that's a WHOLE other group of space travelling people right there.
Nothing to do with Yoda and Jedi.

So did the two codes of "Space Travelling People" get together one time and make the SACRED GEOMETRY thing?
Is there a film of it? If so then how many episodes?

That's why guitar is so complex. It can do your head in.
Especially if you just want to play Autumn Leaves.
What about the Space People?
What about them?

Billnc · #14 10-11-2011, 10:28 PM

Actually an IQ of 120 or above can get you a Nobel Prize. An IQ of 200 with no road map is useless.

Yoda? Come on he couldn't even master English.