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02-14-2011, 08:29 PM
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| | you got it johnny pac..
I have been keen on bert ligon before I found this wonderful site...have mentioned his name many times...excellent stuff..
time on the instrument...pierre | 
02-15-2011, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyPac ...I can say with certainty that there are among the best (jazz) theory texts ever written. ... | So, there is life after Levine?
Man, when you go for something, you sure go whole hog.
Peace,
Kevin | 
02-15-2011, 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyPac | I have this book but have yet to dive into it. Now that you've read through all of Ligon's books, which one would you recommend starting with? | 
02-15-2011, 06:09 AM
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| | 4 Days, My God! | 
02-15-2011, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyPac | Good books, yes.
Jazzpunk: I'd say that vol 1 is the place to start.
Ozoro: I've spent 4 years (or could be 8, can't really remember when I got them), and I still look forward to taking them down from the shelf again. JP is a superman, so we ordinary guys should not compare ourself to him ;-) | 
02-15-2011, 07:04 AM
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| | I requested "Jazz Theory Resources" through the public library's inter-library loan department (-the library is my "Cheers", the place I go where "everyone knows my name.") I want to spend a week with it and then decide if I want to buy a copy.
Still working on "Connecting Chords with Linear Harmony." My main book-work remains the Herb Ellis "rhythm changes" stuff, learning lines and transposing them to 11 other keys. Takes me awhile, but the more I do it, the faster I get at it. That. comping, and learning tunes is my focus now. But I do put in some time with Bert every day. It's coming...
__________________ "I can not overemphasize how important it is to sing what you play or play what you are singing. You do not have to be a singer. You don't have to sing loudly, or even above your breath. Scatting, as this is sometimes called, directly improves your ability to play what you heard, which in turn sounds less like someone playing memorized patterns." Herb Ellis | 
02-15-2011, 08:47 AM
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| | There's lots of good info on Bert's website, too, if anyone wants to get a sampling. Very good material, and very well presented (IMHO). | 
02-15-2011, 09:23 AM
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| | I got the "Connecting Chords with Linear Harmony" a month or so ago and like what I have read so far makes a lot of sense. I was at a music store two weeks ago and spent some time scanning "Comprehensive Technique for Jazz Musicians" and really like what I saw. I picked up a used copy off Amazon and it just arrived a couple days ago. I am so glad I got it, it has so many of the patterns and approaches all in one book. Bert Ligon is a great Jazz educator.
Warning: This is a book for any instrument, it's not guitar specific and has no TAB.
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it wouldn't seem so wonderful. ~ Michelangelo
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02-15-2011, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by docbop Warning: This is a book for any instrument, it's not guitar specific and has no TAB. | I think that goes for all Ligon's books. I know it goes for "Linear Harmony." Ironically, Ligon *is* a guitar player.
__________________ "I can not overemphasize how important it is to sing what you play or play what you are singing. You do not have to be a singer. You don't have to sing loudly, or even above your breath. Scatting, as this is sometimes called, directly improves your ability to play what you heard, which in turn sounds less like someone playing memorized patterns." Herb Ellis | 
02-15-2011, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ksjazzguitar So, there is life after Levine?
Man, when you go for something, you sure go whole hog.
Peace,
Kevin | Did you have something on topic to add or just trolling this thread? | 
02-15-2011, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gersdal Good books, yes.
Jazzpunk: I'd say that vol 1 is the place to start. | Cool, thanks. I'll check it out. | 
02-15-2011, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jazzpunk Did you have something on topic to add or just trolling this thread? | I was just teasing a bit. On his thread on Levine, he seemed to put him on such a pedestal. Now it seems that someone else is the center of the universe. By his own admission, he's only had them for four days.
Pointing out that his enthusiasm may be premature and exaggerated is not trolling.
Peace,
Kevin | 
02-15-2011, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ksjazzguitar I was just teasing a bit. On his thread on Levine, he seemed to put him on such a pedestal. Now it seems that someone else is the center of the universe. By his own admission, he's only had them for four days.
Pointing out that his enthusiasm may be premature and exaggerated is not trolling.
Peace,
Kevin | Kevin you're clearly trolling on this thread. If you haven't read the Lignon books than you have nothing on topic to offer.
Nobody cares about your personal opinions of Jonny so just keep them to yourself. Jonny is entitled to be enthusiastic about whatever he damn well pleases. If you don't like how he expresses himself just stay out of his threads.
He's on his own path of discovery and I appreciate his enthusiasm and sincerity in sharing his journey with the rest of us.
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02-15-2011, 04:40 PM
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| | Oh Shut The F*ck Up All Of You. | 
02-15-2011, 04:59 PM
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02-15-2011, 05:04 PM
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| | I've praised what I've heard about Ligon's books in the past. It was not a criticism of Ligon. It was merely pointing out the irony. Some people are like that, they go from one "greatest thing" to another.
Relax, man. People make cute little remarks in threads all the time - many less productive, more non-sequitous and more often than I do. Why am I being singled out?
Peace,
Kevin
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02-15-2011, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ksjazzguitar I've praised what I've heard about Ligon's books in the past. It was not a criticism of Ligon. It was merely pointing out the irony. Some people are like that, they go from one "greatest thing" to another. | There is nothing ironic about going through different phases in one's learning nor being enthusiastic about new concepts and ideas as they are discovered. I think it happens to a lot of us along our journeys down the rabbit hole. Quote:
Originally Posted by ksjazzguitar Relax, man. People make cute little remarks in threads all the time - many less productive, more non-sequitous and more often than I do. Why am I being singled out?
Peace,
Kevin | I'll take this to PM.
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02-15-2011, 06:25 PM
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| | Wow... I missed this! Drama. Damn. Evey time.
I've read a lot of theory over the years. I also read Jazzology a week ago. There is not a lot of stuff that I am completely unaware of; it's the authors emphasis that really makes a difference. Burt really hit the nail on the head in his epic four book set. It's 100% solid stuff... and his attitude is nice and helpful. He really seems to care about his students in life or via reading his work.
Thanks for getting my back, JPunk. I am enthusiastic. If I wasn't, devoting tons of time to something that no one really cares about and yields no substantial $ income would be miserable. If it's not fun, screw it. I can get my OCD a better rush with a vacuum, broom, and duster. I enjoy music. | 
02-15-2011, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by M-ster There's lots of good info on Bert's website, too, if anyone wants to get a sampling. Very good material, and very well presented (IMHO). | http://www.music.sc.edu/ea/jazz/faculty.html http://www.music.sc.edu/ea/jazz/transcriptions.html Original Compositions
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02-16-2011, 01:03 AM
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| | Thanks Gersdal, I feel better. | 
02-16-2011, 04:31 PM
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| | I only read the text and observed the examples so far. Playing through it will be another case. lol. I'll be plugging away for a while to get the details. Practice practice practice... Cheers! | 
02-16-2011, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyPac I only read the text and observed the examples so far. Playing through it will be another case. lol. I'll be plugging away for a while to get the details. Practice practice practice... Cheers! | You've gotten me interested in these books and I really appreciate it.
__________________ Barney Kessel was asked, “What’s the hardest thing about studio work?” He replied, “Finding a parking place.” "I don't know what other people are doing - I just know about me."- Thelonious Monk | 
02-19-2011, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ksjazzguitar So, there is life after Levine?
Man, when you go for something, you sure go whole hog.
Peace,
Kevin | Let's f*ck this pig!!! Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel!
__________________ "Peace! Peace! Supplant the doom and the gloom! Turn off what is sour! Turn into a flower and BLOOM! BLOOM! BLOOM!" | 
02-19-2011, 12:09 AM
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| | But really, they are great books. The best. I'm glad Mr. Pac's little book reflects many similar ideas with a fretboard approach to the dreaded CST.
My top favs are Burt's four epic books, Jazzology, and JP's guitar booklet. Just enough theory to get busy and play!
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02-19-2011, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Hillary Boob Ph.D Let's f*ck this pig!!! Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel! |  | 
02-19-2011, 10:03 PM
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02-21-2011, 12:31 AM
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| | I emailed the author, Bert. What a cool guy! He's super nice on top of his solid musicianship/knowledge. He sent me a cool article on linear thinking in chords. I'll go through it tomorrow. It will be available in the future at his college website. Stay tuned.
I'm sending him my book to check out. My revised edition will be designed to supplement his works with the guitar-friendly diagrams and TAB.
Again, I gotta say the Bert is the man! | 
02-23-2011, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyPac I emailed the author, Bert. What a cool guy! He's super nice on top of his solid musicianship/knowledge. He sent me a cool article on linear thinking in chords. I'll go through it tomorrow. It will be available in the future at his college website. Stay tuned.
I'm sending him my book to check out. My revised edition will be designed to supplement his works with the guitar-friendly diagrams and TAB.
Again, I gotta say the Bert is the man! | That's very cool man! Keep us posted. | 
02-23-2011, 04:19 PM
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| | JohnnyPac, I wish you had *already* done this. By the time your book is out---and I commend you on that---I will have already worked out such things for myself with Bert's "Linear Harmony."  )
He seems like a great guy and good teacher. Lot of great material on his website. Can you tell me more about this *practice* book? (I own "Linear Harmony" and got "Jazz Theory Resources" from the library. I wonder what his practice book is like and what I might adopt / adapt from it.)
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