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[cosmic gumbo]

Anyone ever hear the story about the kettle calling the pot black?

[ksjazzguitar]

If you can show me of an example of where I chose not to participate but just popped my head in to throw an insult without anything constructive, I'll be in your debt. As near as I can tell, that describes the majority of your posts. At least I'm trying to contribute instead of just taking pot shots. If you don't like it, then don't read it. There are threads and sub-threads that don't interest me, so I don't read them - I don't hop in and throw a snide, pseudo-clever insult at the participants.

You tried to interject the same lame insult three separate times into the same thread. It might have been forgivable if you were trying to do something constructive, but just mocking people trying to have an intellectual discussion is not constructive - it's being a troll.

Peace,
Kevin

[cosmic gumbo]

I think Kevin would like me to fit into some little box that would suit his personal vision of how this public forum should be used. Does that seem arrogant to anybody else? If Kevin can come here and feel free to be himself, and express his views, isn't that something the rest of us are entitled to do without being judged? Some folks don't tolerate diversity very well.

[wordsmith]

Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo

On the farm, we use serious shovels like this to move piles of it.

Hi, cosmic gumbo!

You think you're funny.

I don't.

[ksjazzguitar]

But the cosmic, the point of a forum is for people to discuss and contribute. This is a "jazz guitar" forum, not a "make childish snide remarks to insult people you disagree with and then run away and hide" forum.

True, my language may get regrettably a little insulting sometimes, but at least it is in the process of trying to make a point in the discussion, not just taking a cheap shot. Some threads, the only "contribution" that you make is to make childish insults. In this thread you made the same childish insult three times.

Really, that kind of behavior would get you booted or at least censured or a more heavily moderated forum.

I guess it's a victory for juvenile insults.

Peace,
Kevin

[wordsmith]

Originally Posted by ksjazzguitar

But the cosmic, the point of a forum is for people to discuss and contribute. This is a "jazz guitar" forum, not a "make childish snide remarks to insult people you disagree with and then run away and hide" forum.

True, my language may get regrettably a little insulting sometimes, but at least it is in the process of trying to make a point in the discussion, not just taking a cheap shot. Some threads, the only "contribution" that you make is to make childish insults. In this thread you made the same childish insult three times.

Really, that kind of behavior would get you booted or at least censured or a more heavily moderated forum.

I guess it's a victory for juvenile insults.

Peace,
Kevin

I couldn't have put it better myself. Down on the farm in England, we tell people where to stick their shovel.

[Baltar Hornbeek]

Originally Posted by ksjazzguitar

But the cosmic, the point of a forum is for people to discuss and contribute. This is a "jazz guitar" forum, not a "make childish snide remarks to insult people you disagree with and then run away and hide" forum.

True, my language may get regrettably a little insulting sometimes, but at least it is in the process of trying to make a point in the discussion, not just taking a cheap shot. Some threads, the only "contribution" that you make is to make childish insults. In this thread you made the same childish insult three times.

Really, that kind of behavior would get you booted or at least censured or a more heavily moderated forum.

I guess it's a victory for juvenile insults.

Peace,
Kevin

Yeah but, you're still getting plenty of face time. so...it's all good, right?

[JohnW400]

Not to move off topic but , If you don't like when someone throws in a post like Cosmic does then skip over it or use the ignore function on your profile.

[JonnyPac]

Ignoring Kevin, however, would eliminate about 75% of the text on the whole forum. lol.

Keep it fun and positive, guys. We are all real people and students of different levels. Cheers!

***

(KS and JR are actually both on my ignore list. This thread is dead to me know... lol)

[wordsmith]

Originally Posted by JohnW400

Not to move off topic but , If you don't like when someone throws in a post like Cosmic does then skip over it or use the ignore function on your profile.

Thanks for that tip!

All gone!

I might start ignoring myself .

[pingu]

Kevin , your post re unified theory etc was a cogent argument
fully in accord with the Scientific Method ......... cool

Sorry JR , but if something is accurate then it is 'true'
(when true = an acurate representation of what we experience)
So if something (eg newtonian mechanics) is measurably inaccurate
then its not true is it ?

Cosmicgrumble , if you can't understand something
you call it BS , this is just childish

[JohnRoss]

Gosh, is this thread still going? I've been ignoring it in the hope that Cosmic would lose interest or find a straw to chew on or an insect with legs he could pull off or something.

Originally Posted by ksjazzguitar

- in situations where the Newtonian approximation no longer works. The same goes for quantum mechanics. We may not see it directly in our day to day lives, but it is very real and has some drastic effects on the world around us. Much modern technology could not function without relativity or quantum mechanics.

Not denying any of that.

You may as well argue that the earth is flat. No serious scientist doubts this. Newton's equations work OK for low gravity (like earth) and low velocities.

Id est, Newton's equations work OK for most real world situations, therefore they are true.

I can't think of a better definition of "true" and "untrue" - a "true" theory gives good results and an "untrue" one doesn't.... just being true part of the time is not good enough. I'll save "true" for the one that is true all of the time.

So you admit that your definition is personal and not general. I have tried to refer you to dictionaries and you resist, this is simply not what the word 'true' means, except, apparently, to you. What's more, if you've ever done any experimental work, you know that measurements are buggers, you have to calibrate, all the conditions have to be right, there is an acceptable error and even so you're still going to get outliers, always. This, according to you, disqualifies the whole process. Well, no, when a lab technician puts a blood sample through a machine and the answer comes up X, and the physician uses that as the basis for his diagnosis, neither you nor I will say that that is untrue because it has an error of 2%. And believe me, there is nothing truer than a medical diagnosis. Even if it turns out to be wrong.

The last century has been one of continued confirmation of Einstein and increasing refutation of Newton. Can you find me a reputable scientist that says otherwise? I know of none.

I'm not and have never been arguing with you about how right Einstein was. On the other hand, I don't know of any reputable scientist who would say "Newton was wrong," though this could be because I don't get out enough. But in any case, you are confusing two concepts, or rather four, because of the similarity of the relationships between them - right and wrong, and true and untrue. They aren't the same. Please, buy a dictionary.

You can have the last word if you want, but I'm outta here - this is just too silly.

Ciao.

Originally Posted by pingu

but if something is accurate then it is 'true'
(when true = an acurate representation of what we experience)
So if something (eg newtonian mechanics) is measurably inaccurate
then its not true is it ?

If something has to be measurably accurate to be true, there is no truth, for there are always, always, limitations to the accuracy of measurements. Accurate does not equate with true.

[pingu]

Hi JR

Would you accept that if the results a law (eg Newtons) predicts are measurably and demonstrably inaccurate then the law
must be untrue or wrong ?

You seem to be saying that Newton and Einstine can both be true

Newton may well be usefull for many design processes in the real world
but that doesn't make it true does it ??

[JonnyPac]

Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo

I think Kevin would like me to fit into some little box that would suit his personal vision of how this public forum should be used. Does that seem arrogant to anybody else? If Kevin can come here and feel free to be himself, and express his views, isn't that something the rest of us are entitled to do without being judged? Some folks don't tolerate diversity very well.

I'm right there with you 100%. Keep it fun.

[pingu]

By calling it BS three times in a row ?

[JohnW400]

Not to take sides or start trouble but he has a point with this line:

"If Kevin can come here and feel free to be himself, and express his views, isn't that something the rest of us are entitled to do without being judged?"

I don't think he meant BS as in untrue statements. I think he was refering more to the shear volume of words in the post

[Gramps]

Oh please, tell us the story of the kettle. I just love a good story.

[Dad3353]

Originally Posted by Gramps

Oh please, tell us the story of the kettle. I just love a good story.

Well, ok, then...
Are you sitting comfortably..? ....Then I'll begin...

[QUOTE from Wikipedia...]The teapot, in calling the kettle black, engages in a subtle form of hypocrisy--the subtlety of the expression having been lost through the ages. The teapot says only what is true, indeed what is obvious; but she forgets to acknowledge that it is only the kettle's direct absorption of the flame (the kettle's "doing the dirty work") which permits her to avoid the soot, and thus maintain her aesthetic appeal. The kettle sacrifices his cleanliness, and indeed his very visibility, solely that the teapot should keep hers, and both remain essential participants in the tea ritual as a whole. Thus, even as the teapot receives all the glory of ceremony, she nevertheless is in no moral position to criticize the kettle.[/quote]

[QUOTE from Wikipedia...]A "Pot calling the kettle black" argument can often be an Ad hominem attack. For example:
Sophie posted an off-topic post to a mailing list, and many people didn't like it.
Some time afterwards, Jack posts a political post to his otherwise technical blog.
Sophie criticises Jack for posting a political post.
David posts a reply to Sophie's comment saying that Sophie is accusing Jack of posting an off-topic message on his blog, while she did the same. ("Pot calling the kettle black.")
However, Sophie's criticism was about the post's political nature and in the case of the mailing list, it may have been more justified, or she had learnt from her mistakes.[/quote]

...and, not to unfairly take sides (oops...), I'm with old Gumbo on this.
If I didn't know you all better, I'd suspect some sniffing of Harmonic Glue here.
Now, back to the topic...
Jazz is Dead
...what was the original topic, anyway?
Douglas
The 'not to be taken seriously' one...