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12-27-2010, 11:34 PM
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| | What Aebersold Books have been the most beneficial to your education? Forgive me if this has been asked already..
What Aebersold Books have been the most beneficial to your education? | 
12-28-2010, 05:07 AM
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| | #1, 3, 16, 21, 24, 47, 84.
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12-28-2010, 07:26 AM
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| | Maiden Voyage (54) and Rhythm Changes (47).
I recently was in a store that stocked Aebersold PALs and thought of picking up The ii-V7-I Progression (3). I didn't, but I think I'll go back soon and get it.
__________________ "I can not overemphasize how important it is to sing what you play or play what you are singing. You do not have to be a singer. You don't have to sing loudly, or even above your breath. Scatting, as this is sometimes called, directly improves your ability to play what you heard, which in turn sounds less like someone playing memorized patterns." Herb Ellis | 
12-28-2010, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by randalljazz #1, 3, 16, 21, 24, 47, 84. | I agree with the above. | 
12-28-2010, 09:06 AM
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| | Yeah, that handbook is nice. I got a copy yesterday because I ordered something RandallJazz recommended, the "Guitar Comping" book for Vol. 54 (Maiden Voyage). Just got the stuff yesterday and that comping book looks stellar---thanks again for the recommendation, Randall! The handbook has a lot of useful stuff in it.
__________________ "I can not overemphasize how important it is to sing what you play or play what you are singing. You do not have to be a singer. You don't have to sing loudly, or even above your breath. Scatting, as this is sometimes called, directly improves your ability to play what you heard, which in turn sounds less like someone playing memorized patterns." Herb Ellis | 
12-28-2010, 09:29 AM
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| | The one on Rhythm Changes is about the only one I've ever used for furthering my musical understanding. That one is pretty good. I do occasionally use the playalongs, but a lot of times they count off the tempo at a ridiculous pace. I mean, 20 clicks faster than even the fastest recording out there. BiAB is way better as far as I'm concerned. | 
12-28-2010, 12:50 PM
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| | I have two of them and the thing that confuses me is it will list the chords
maybe one for each bar and I have no idea how to come up with the rhythms?
It will say E-7 and in that bar it sounds like the piano is playing 3 other chords? How should I approach this? are they just playing inversions of the same chords in that bar where it only lists one chord? Or do I just listen intently and cop the piano right or left hand rhythms? | 
12-28-2010, 01:05 PM
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| | >>>>BiAB is way better as far as I'm concerned.<<<<
I just got BiAB (-for Christmas, so I'm still learning my way around) and like it a lot. Nevertheless, I still see value with the Aebersold volumes. For starters, you have a good trio playing the backing of specific heads (such as "Four" or "My One And Only Love") rather than a BiAB giving you a swing jazz rendering of those chord progressions. Not the same thing, though BiAB is a great thing and I'm sure it offers possibilities I may never grasp, let alone utilize.
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12-28-2010, 01:11 PM
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| | >>>>>I have two of them and the thing that confuses me is it will list the chords, maybe one for each bar and I have no idea how to come up with the rhythms?<<<
Keep in mind that many jazz musicians do not play chords but only single notes (-the horns). The charts are not descriptions of what the comper on the CD (-usually a pianist) is playing but tell *all* players the basic harmony of the tune at each point.
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12-28-2010, 01:19 PM
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| | Quote:
Originally Posted by markerhodes >>>>BiAB is way better as far as I'm concerned.<<<<
I just got BiAB (-for Christmas, so I'm still learning my way around) and like it a lot. Nevertheless, I still see value with the Aebersold volumes. For starters, you have a good trio playing the backing of specific heads (such as "Four" or "My One And Only Love") rather than a BiAB giving you a swing jazz rendering of those chord progressions. Not the same thing, though BiAB is a great thing and I'm sure it offers possibilities I may never grasp, let alone utilize. | There is great variance in the quality of the players on the Aebersold CDs, and some you would expect to completely swing are not very good (I can't remember the volume, but one I have with Ron Carter is bad).
I am not sure what you mean that BiAB only gives a "swing jazz rendering of those chord progressions." How does that differ from that performed by live musicians on the Aebersold CDs? They're just playing "swing jazz renderings" of progressions, even if it's behind a head. You can certainly play a head over chords entered into BiAB. I do it all the time. | 
12-28-2010, 04:56 PM
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| | >>>>>I am not sure what you mean that BiAB only gives a "swing jazz rendering of those chord progressions." How does that differ from that performed by live musicians on the Aebersold CDs? They're just playing "swing jazz renderings" of progressions, even if it's behind a head.<<<<
Well, take some Aebersold CDs and compare the head section of, say "Cottontail" and "Serpent's Tooth" (-both Rhythm Changes tunes) You'll know the band is playing with different heads in mind, not just the changes. Sometimes the Aebersold groups are playing with specific recordings of tunes in minds too (-the way Miles did it, say) and that you don't get from BiAB.
I'm not knocking BiAB. I just got it and think it's great. I wish I'd gotten it sooner. But I still value the Aebersolds too. (And there are other play-alongs, some which repeat the head on the way out, which is cool too.)
Yeah, you can play heads over BiAB arrangements. I do that too. I think it's a great thing, but it's not the same as playing with a PAL where the band knows it is playing, say "Perdido" and
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