Have You Met Miss Jones - Interactive practical/theory group - Page 5

fep · #**121** 12-17-2010, 05:52 PM

Perhaps Tony's right, maybe we are just getting mostly those interested in this thread voting. Not that many people voted on the poll so I'm just being paranoid. A poll is the easeist way I think.

So what do you all think of another poll?

I say we include the tunes from the last poll that got 3 or more votes:

Autumn Leaves
Ceora
Fly me to the Moon
Misty

and we can add other tunes that are suggested like:

Anthropology

I'll add:

Bright Size Life - with it's "nonstandard" like chord progression and melody

Any others?

What do you all think?

jayx123 · #**122** 12-18-2010, 12:29 AM

I'd like to add "Four"

tonyknight · #**123** 12-18-2010, 02:20 AM

I've given a bit more thought to what I said about starting a new thread to choose the next song. The downside is that if we do this, then the name of the thread won't actually reflect the name of the selected song.

Perhaps it would make more sense to close out this thread with our 'poll' of next songs, starting with Wiz's "Ceora". Then after the close date we could post the new thread.

fep · #**124** 12-18-2010, 09:16 AM

Tony,

I'm not sure I understand, a poll on this current thread?

I think you can only post a poll on a new thread, you have to be the orginator of the thread and create the poll on the first post of the thread. I just snooped around and it looks that way to me.

tonyknight · #**125** 12-18-2010, 10:48 AM

Hi Frank - no I guess what I was thinking was to round out this thread with the simple question "What's next, folks?" and do a manual count of votes to allay fears that the whole world can vote, but at the end of the day, it's just the participants of this (next) thread who will actually do anything with the music.

I'm open to whatever ideas, honestly. Given my level of jazz guitar, EVERY song is a new opening for me :-)

I half-jokingly suggested "Anthropology" and would probably add "Confirmation"...

tonyknight · #**126** 12-19-2010, 02:06 AM

Before we finish with Miss Jones, would anyone more capable than I be willing to post a version using just guide tones and/or arps? Perhaps with a verbal or written commentary?

Would this be a generally good idea to start each new song with before getting into freer improv?

If someone can do this, I'd then be happy to transform the guide-notes or arps into neck-diagrams to include in my "Miss Jones Lesson booklet"...

Cheers,
Tony

tonyknight · #**127** 01-05-2011, 08:29 AM

As we are moving on to an new song, I have taken the liberty of adding a bit to the analysis document for Miss Jones - please forgive any errors that you find (but be kind enough to pm me so that I can fix the doc!). Hope it helps and I hope to refine the method with each new song...

Happy New Year all...

kenbennett · #**128** 01-19-2011, 10:02 PM

Sorry I'm late with this. I was down with the flu for a couple of weeks in December.

Inspired by Reg's 5/4 idea, I came up with this melody variation. It differs from Tom's 5/4 BIAB track in that I'm squeezing 2 measures of 4/4 into one of 5/4. For example the first measure of F(Maj7) fits on the first 3 beats of the first measure of 5/4, then the second measure of F#dim fits on the last 2 beats of the first measure of 5/4.

Unlike Reg's 5/4 version, I play this thing pretty fast--like 200BPM. I've been doing it for a few weeks. I still can't solo over it to my satisfaction. But today I played it with a friend: I cooked on the melody and comping, and he cooked on the solos. Sorry we didn't record it.

I use the first four measures as the intro and turnaround between choruses. The last four measures vamping F13/C to C7#9 are used as the first 2 A sections of the final solo, again following Reg's advice pedaling on C, then going to the bridge and playing it out.

I have another version where the intro and turns are in 6/4, the head is in 5/4, and the solos in 7/4. But it's all based on the straight 5/4 version presented here.

This chart has some chord simplification and subs.

Have You Met Miss Jones 5/4 arr. KB pdf

Reg · #**129** 01-20-2011, 12:20 AM

hey ken... read through it at 200... fun, plays easily... great arrangement... totally dig the intro and outro grooves... Might pull it out at my gig tomorrow night... It always helps with the melody written out... we can add harmony lines ... if you don't mind... of course. Best Reg

kenbennett · #**130** 01-20-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Reg

hey ken... read through it at 200... fun, plays easily... great arrangement... totally dig the intro and outro grooves... Might pull it out at my gig tomorrow night... It always helps with the melody written out... we can add harmony lines ... if you don't mind... of course. Best Reg

Harmony lines... good idea. I hope you do play with your band. Let me know how it goes.

Reg · #**131** 01-20-2011, 06:27 PM

Hey KB your guitars and work look beautiful... I wish I was closer. I'm always getting work done... My main work guitar need frets again... I have a 1940 epiphone ... ? regent or triump regent... needs some work. Is shipping ever done...
Yea I'll read through your version of head in 5/4 tonight... we play those time games at gigs all the time, usually one players covers head. The version I played on my video for 5/4 Miss jones was a one time thing... just played... thanks Reg

kenbennett · #**132** 01-21-2011, 06:41 AM

Reg, I'm interested in the idea of adding harmonies. My friend Jim Sadler and I are building our first two archtop guitars. Our plan is to work up some duets to take around (with or without a band) and show off the instruments. I think on this version of Miss Jones, when we come back to the final head, I had planned to play it in unison--but some harmony lines would be cool too. If you have any ideas on how it should be done let me know.

Shipping guitars for repair is done a lot. But if you have a local guy, that's cool too.

fep · #**133** 01-21-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kenbennett

Reg, I'm interested in the idea of adding harmonies... If you have any ideas on how it should be done let me know.

Hey Ken and Reg,

I wrote a harmony for four guitars for Blues Walk which looks like this:

Blues Walk with harmonized melody.pdf - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

And sounds like this (sorry it's sloppy, I should rerecord it):

Blues Walk with melody.mp3 - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

So I thought Reg could critique the harmonzed melody, it's real short so shouldn't be too much work.

And Ken and I could learn from that.

kenbennett · #**134** 01-21-2011, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fep

Hey Ken and Reg,

I wrote a harmony for four guitars for Blues Walk which looks like this:

Blues Walk with harmonized melody.pdf - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

And sounds like this (sorry it's sloppy, I should rerecord it):

Blues Walk with melody.mp3 - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

So I thought Reg could critique the harmonzed melody, it's real short so shouldn't be too much work.

And Ken and I could learn from that.

That sounds better than it looks. It doesn't really sound like four distinct lines though. But the parts so seem to fit together.

Instead of sounding like four of the same person playing the same guitar in the same spot, maybe some separation in the mix might help.

fep · #**135** 01-21-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kenbennett

That sounds better than it looks. It doesn't really sound like four distinct lines though. But the parts so seem to fit together.

Instead of sounding like four of the same person playing the same guitar in the same spot, maybe some separation in the mix might help.

You didn't like the way it looked? That's got me curious, please give me some details.

I do have the voices panned across the stereo field.

I was going for 'jazz harmonies', like a horn section playing a melody.

You mention that you want more seperation of the voices, maybe you're looking for chorale style writing with counterpoint (contrary, oblique and similar motion; different rhythms for each voice etc.) I don't think the spirit of this melody lends itself to that type of writing... maybe a dixieland type of thing would work though?

Hopefully Reg will chime in, he writes/arranges for big bands and has some expertise at this.

kenbennett · #**136** 01-21-2011, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fep

You didn't like the way it looked? That's got me curious, please give me some details.

I do have the voices panned across the stereo field.

I was going for 'jazz harmonies', like a horn section playing a melody.

You mention that you want more seperation of the voices, maybe you're looking for chorale style writing with counterpoint (contrary, oblique and similar motion; different rhythms for each voice etc.) I don't think the spirit of this melody lends itself to that type of writing... maybe a dixieland type of thing would work though?

Hopefully Reg will chime in, he writes/arranges for big bands and has some expertise at this.

The way it's written, the individual lines are not apparent. There are 4 notes at times and 3 notes at other times. I'm guessing that some of the notes are doubled, but it is not indicated in the score.

The separation of the voices thing... I couldn't hear the panning on my laptop. That would have helped I guess. Still, it definitely didn't sound like 4 different instruments. It didn't even sound like 4 different guitar players. You know what I mean? In a horn section you don't usually have 4 trombones, or 4 tenor saxes, or 4 trumpets. Usually you can pick out the individual parts while the whole thing still sounds unified.