Chord inquiry: 1 5 9 b7

[Raylien]

Hello everybody, question for you chord gurus out there.

What would you call a chord with this formula: 1 5 9 b7?

7sus2? Andy Summers Dominant?
Just "sus2" would imply a mere triad.

Ex:

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-0-
-9-
-7-
-5-

[timscarey]

Depends on the context. Either minor or Dominant. To make a chord symbol for it you might have to specify "no 3rd" in the symbol depending on how specific of a sound you want. if not... 7sus2, 9, or min9 could work. It all depends on context, your ear will fill in the 3rd of the chord even if you are not playing it.

[bako]

As Tim said the context.
The melody is the first place to look.
Also the chords before and after might include the major or minor 3rd note.

Mick Goodrick in his book "Mr. Goodchord's Almanac of Guitar Voice-Leading
for the Year 2001 and Beyond" (Volume I: Name That Chord) refers to a class of scale derived voicings as "Triad over bass note #1"

1 5 7 9

From a C scale

CGBD-----G/C
DACE-----Am/D
EBDF-----Bdim/E
FCEG-----C/F
GDFA-----Dm/G
AEGB-----Em/A
BFAC-----F/B

He presents these voice led in diatonic cycle progressions in 6 voicing spreads.

As long as I started this. He also uses Triad over bass note #2

1 7 9 11

CBDF-----Bdim/C
DCEG-----C/D
EDFA------Dm/E
FEGB------Em/F
GFAC------F/G
AGBD------G/A
BACE------Am/B

all the other scale derived triad over bass combinations are just straight 7th chord or triad inversions.

Dm/C-----Dm7
Em/C-----Cma7
F/C--------F
Am/C-----Am

Triad over bass note #1 and #2 are not names I would use in public and expect to be understood, but he does provide a scale context for these voicing types using Major, Melodic Minor and Harmonic Minor.

[docbop]

9 (no 3rd)

I've seen that on charts in past. Simple and to the point.

[mr. beaumont]

Originally Posted by docbop

9 (no 3rd)

I've seen that on charts in past. Simple and to the point.

nice. 7sus2 is fine for me too. I try to be as descriptive as I can in achart, and both of these make sense.

And of course, as tim said, context determines everything.

[M-ster]

I'm with docbop. "7sus2" doesn't tell me to leave out the third, IMHO.

My favorite suggestion, though, was OP's "Andy Summers Dominant." Classic!

[docbop]

Originally Posted by M-ster

My favorite suggestion, though, was OP's "Andy Summers Dominant." Classic!

Cool I can add that to my Charlie's Angels chord Ma7b5 and Soap Opera chord mi Ma7

[mr. beaumont]

Originally Posted by M-ster

I'm with docbop. "7sus2" doesn't tell me to leave out the third, IMHO.

My favorite suggestion, though, was OP's "Andy Summers Dominant." Classic!

I guess I'm old school. "sus" = no 3rd to me. Although I'd want the 2 as well, cuz "sus" on it's own screams "4" to me--For example, I see G7sus I'm putting a C in there...

[M-ster]

So, we're going with "Andy Summers Dominant," then?

[timscarey]

Come to think of it, you could just write Em/A and you would be set.

Ahhh slash chords, gotta love em.

[docbop]

Originally Posted by timscarey

Come to think of it, you could just write Em/A and you would be set.

Ahhh slash chords, gotta love em.

Depends on the bass line it would end up creating.

[timscarey]

Not sure that I follow you Docbop. Could you elaborate?

[docbop]

Originally Posted by timscarey

Not sure that I follow you Docbop. Could you elaborate?

With slash chords your creating a bass line in fact that is why some use slash chords. So if using slash chord just to create a voicing like the one in question then that bass note could be an issue if it creates a weird root movement of the chords.

[JohnW400]

Andy Summers Chord?

What about the Stealy Dan MU major?

Mu chord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You guys aremaking me feel effin' old

[mr. beaumont]

of course, the "mu" chord has a third...

john, maybe you feel old, but I just feel like a nerd. I totally knew that chord without clicking on the wiki article...

[BigDaddyLoveHandles]

Originally Posted by Raylien

Ex:

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-0-
-9-
-7-
-5-

Cool fingering, but at first I thought that was xx0975, not 5790xx. (The compact notation is more useful, eh?). You can easily rearrange those notes in a movable grip, too:

A9(no3): 5754xx
D9(no3): x5755x
G9(no3): xx5765

[Raylien]

Sorry for the belated response, but I appreciate everybody's helpful input!

The context bit, which is very important, is what I was neglecting to consider.

And you're right, BDLH, the compact tab is more readable, will adopt.

[JohnW400]

You might find it useful to change it around into a movable form. The simplest way to look at this chord (Em/A imo) works as either an A9 or an Ami9. Not having a third here gives it an advantage.

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-4-
-5-
-7-
-5-

Move that to the next set of strings


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-12-
-12-
-14-
-12-
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[M-ster]

Originally Posted by Raylien

And you're right ... the compact tab is more readable ...

Until you get to and above the 10th fret, which I presume influenced JW's presentation of the voicing at the 12th fret (above).

It's all good. If we got it, you communicated. Good enough.

[Raylien]

Originally Posted by JohnW400

Andy Summers Chord?

What about the Stealy Dan MU major?

Mu chord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You guys aremaking me feel effin' old

Andy Summers of The Police rather favors the 159 chord. Every Breath You Take, for example, would be about 20 seconds long if they were omitted.

Also, I like the Charlie's Angels and Soap Opera chords!
=D