calling call possible chordal harmonies

Johnny valentine · #1 02-06-2010, 05:33 PM

If I have a tune, I want to know all of the chordal harmonies possible for that piece, including anything that is out side in other keys. Also I want to be able to play it in different time signatures as well as different styles, ie: brazilian jazz style straight ahead style, and others etc.

Please advise,
Thank you

randalljazz · #2 02-06-2010, 06:17 PM

learn them one at a time, just like everything else.

Johnny valentine · #3 02-08-2010, 12:37 AM

dam really??

randalljazz · #4 02-08-2010, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny valentine

dam really??

if you don't like my answer, perhaps you might want to ponder your question a bit...

JohnW400 · #5 02-08-2010, 09:27 AM

I posted this link in awhile ago. Perhaps it's time to post it again

magicwand.com

Wave it over your guitar and don't forget the magic words. and poof.

gersdal · #6 02-08-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnW400

I posted this link in awhile ago. Perhaps it's time to post it again

magicwand.com

Wave it over your guitar and don't forget the magic words. and poof.

LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny valentine

If I have a tune, I want to know all of the chordal harmonies possible for that piece, including anything that is out side in other keys. Also I want to be able to play it in different time signatures as well as different styles, ie: brazilian jazz style straight ahead style, and others etc.

You are giving a rather good description of every guitarists dream, and half the 3 years study at my local University program in jazz. Believe it or not, but RandallJazz reply is a very good one. I would also recommend a jazz education.

Johnny valentine · #7 02-08-2010, 01:07 PM

No, I didn't like your answer, but that doesn't mean you cannot reply the same as way as a non musician, and come up with as an answer so obvious, basic and general.

If you are not sure about the specifics of my question, lay out , and see if someone with a good theoretical back ground replies.

Hint: there is a certain theoretical approach when dealing with inside and outside harmonies, especially in dealing with different styles and time signatures.

I was looking for an educated reply on the subject matter.

Thanks to gersdal for the time and effort to ponder my question and reply some original thinking.

All the best to you anyway.

Johnny valentine · #8 02-08-2010, 01:23 PM

No, I didn't like your answer, but that doesn't mean you cannot reply the same as way as a non musician, and come up with as an answer so obvious, basic and general.

If you are not sure about the specifics of my question, lay out , and see if someone with a good theoretical back ground replies.

Hint: there is a certain theoretical approach when dealing with inside and outside harmonies, especially in dealing with different styles and time signatures.

I was looking for an educated reply on the subject matter.

Thanks to gersdal for the time and effort to ponder my question and reply some original thinking.

All the best to you anyway.

FatJeff · #9 02-08-2010, 03:48 PM

Actually Randall is one of the more knowledgeable people on this forum.

To tell the truth it was not immediately obvious to me what exactly it was you were asking. Can you re-phrase your question? Maybe you could provide us with a specific example (e.g. I'm trying to re-harmonize Mood Indigo, and play it up-tempo). What exactly are you trying to accomplish?

Reg · #10 02-11-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny valentine

If I have a tune, I want to know all of the chordal harmonies possible for that piece, including anything that is out side in other keys. Also I want to be able to play it in different time signatures as well as different styles, ie: brazilian jazz style straight ahead style, and others etc.

Please advise,
Thank you

Hey Johnny... Yea no tricks. Start By being able to play the tune as written, or the composer meant it to be played. Playing tunes in different time signatures is pretty simple once you know the tune or melody. Most melodies have rhythm pattern and just adjust the melody. Ex; Autumn Leaves, basic rhythm of melody is, whole note tied to quarter, three quarters and on in similar fashion. So to play in 3/4, change whole notes to dotted halfs tied to a dotted quarter, make the old quarter notes eights etc... Whole notes become dotted halfs, half notes become dotted quarters, quarter notes can become eights, with adjustments as needed or play them as 3 over 2, not very common. And in reverse for 3/4 to 4/4. More complex time changes, 5/4 etc. are very similar, a little harder to do at gigs. The practice is pretty common at gigs with tunes that are played a lot. As far as transposing, practice... good horn players do it all the time. I have no problem transposing, but I've worked at it. With vocalist it's pretty common to have to transpose. Rhythm section player should be able to cover... the drummer never complains. Just start..... both mechanically and with Roman numerals, V/II-II-V-I etc.. You do need to be able to analysis the chart which takes some skills. As far as re-harmonization, it takes some knowledge and skills... you can start with simple tricks, ex; Key of C, the IV chord or Fmaj7 can be swapped for the two chord or Dmin.7 and Fmaj for Dmin , their both subdominant chords. The three tonic chords Imaj, IIImin and VImin can be swapped likewise, melody permitting. The Dominant chords V7 and VII-7b5...sometimes. I'm not sure how much you understand music, there's no limit to what you can do. You can always trial and error your way along, find what you like and put it in your bag of tricks etc... Not my suggestion but many do. You can't make it sound outside until you can make it sound inside really and it takes time. Pick a tune and give me something to work with and I'll give much more. I think I'm going to start making Vids. a lot quicker, one of my kids is hip to the process. Good luck Reg

Johnny valentine · #11 02-11-2010, 11:01 PM

Nice, very nice,

This is what I was waiting for... I will take this and work with it on Blue Bossa, and All the things you Are. I learned a pretty decent chord melody arrangement for "All The Things You Are" from Jerry Hahn more tha twenty years ago at the university I was studying at.

(Got into a fender bender issue today, so this has me bummed and distracted from working on this for now) I will follow up with you in due time.

Stay well and blessed.

Johnny

Reg · #12 02-11-2010, 11:24 PM

Hey Johnny...thanks man...like I said give me a tune and I'll re-harmonize it... and show some tricks from my bag of goodies... latter Reg

timscarey · #13 02-13-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny valentine

If I have a tune, I want to know all of the chordal harmonies possible for that piece, including anything that is out side in other keys. Also I want to be able to play it in different time signatures as well as different styles, ie: brazilian jazz style straight ahead style, and others etc.

Please advise,
Thank you

I agree with Randall.

Basically what you are saying is. " I want to be a well educated and experienced musician"

approach it that way, and keep in mind that your musicianship is not in your fingers, it's in your head and your ears.

Also, I would like to point out that the purpose of this board is to discuss the answers to the questions you ask. I would suggest being more specific on your short-term goals, you will get better answers that way.

Welcome