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    Quote Originally Posted by fasstrack View Post
    OK, if you prefer sings 'well' to 'nicely' I'm down with that. I only heard Kenny sing a ballad, so that's what I based my comment on. But he's a rounded, schooled musician with a pleasant voice. That's what I was trying to say.
    "Each heart vibrates to that iron string."
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    (who obviously played in Carl Kress tuning)

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    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot View Post
    Ha!

    Makes Susan Kane seem like Callas by comparison..
    Charlie Christian got me in a world of trouble

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    OK. This trumps even that:

    (AND my daddy can beat up YOUR daddy---LOL)

    I give you Jo Stafford and Saturday Night Fever:

    Charlie Christian got me in a world of trouble

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    It takes real skill and talent to do that when your normal pitch is as good as Jo Stafford's. She's one of my favorite singers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell View Post
    It takes real skill and talent to do that when your normal pitch is as good as Jo Stafford's. She's one of my favorite singers.
    Yeah, she was a hell of a comic 'actress'. Her husband was in on it, too. They made a few of these things. A NY DJ, Jonathan Schwartz, played them and that's how I got wind of them.

    And ditto on the great singer piece. I always go to the Jo Staffords, Doris Days, Sinatras, Streisands when I want to learn a song with the correct melody and knowing presentation of the lyric/story. And Jo Stafford's Haunted Heart gives me chills. And she's nearly forgotten now----sigh...
    Charlie Christian got me in a world of trouble

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    Quote Originally Posted by fasstrack View Post
    Yeah, she was a hell of a comic 'actress'. Her husband was in on it, too. They made a few of these things. A NY DJ, Jonathan Schwartz, played them and that's how I got wind of them.

    And ditto on the great singer piece. I always go to the Jo Staffords, Doris Days, Sinatras, Streisands when I want to learn a song with the correct melody and knowing presentation of the lyric/story. And Jo Stafford's Haunted Heart gives me chills. And she's nearly forgotten now----sigh...
    Add Peggy Lee to that list (especially her version of "Two for the Road". And Meryl Streep is actually a very good singer -- her verions of Amazing Grace from "Silkwood" is beautiful IMO. But my all time favorite comic (but actually great) singer is Madeline Kahn.

    For singing jazz guitar players, I'd add Slim Gaillard ...

    I've done a lot of folk/blues/rock singing and fronted bands, so and I kind of have that down. I try standards every now and then, but haven't really put the time into getting it right and wouldn't try it in public.



    John

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    Apart from George Benson, the first guy that came to mind is Sacha Distel:


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    Quote Originally Posted by PMB View Post
    Apart from George Benson, the first guy that came to mind is Sacha Distel:

    I am not familiar with him. Does he sing ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by John A. View Post
    Add Peggy Lee to that list (especially her version of "Two for the Road". And Meryl Streep is actually a very good singer -- her verions of Amazing Grace from "Silkwood" is beautiful IMO. But my all time favorite comic (but actually great) singer is Madeline Kahn.

    For singing jazz guitar players, I'd add Slim Gaillard ...

    I've done a lot of folk/blues/rock singing and fronted bands, so and I kind of have that down. I try standards every now and then, but haven't really put the time into getting it right and wouldn't try it in public.



    John


    Lily Von Shtupp: 'I've been with hundweds of men---again and again. They promise the moon. They quote from Byron and Shelly, then jump on your belly, and bust your balloon....They're always coming and going, and going and coming---and always too soon (right, girls?').....'

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    'Oh, it's twew! It's TWEW!!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A View Post
    I am not familiar with him. Does he sing ?


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    He was one of France's most famous pop singers! Distel wrote The Good Life, a tune covered by Tony Bennett, Frank Sinatra, Sarah Vaughan, Betty Carter, Nancy Wilson...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMB View Post
    He was one of France's most famous pop singers! Distel wrote The Good Life, a tune covered by Tony Bennett, Frank Sinatra, Sarah Vaughan, Betty Carter, Nancy Wilson...
    Saw him with Kessel at Ronnie's.

    Richie Havens, Joni, Curtis Mayfield - I guess they don't count (but they're my faves).
    "Each heart vibrates to that iron string."
    Ralph Waldo Emerson
    (who obviously played in Carl Kress tuning)

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    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot View Post


    Saw him with Kessel at Ronnie's.

    Richie Havens, Joni, Curtis Mayfield - I guess they don't count (but they're my faves).
    Caution: "What is jazz" argument ahead ...

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    Caterina Valente - pretty sure there are clips
    of Chet Baker with her.

    Hendrix.

    Demis Roussos. OK, that's pushing it - and he didn't play guitar.
    "Each heart vibrates to that iron string."
    Ralph Waldo Emerson
    (who obviously played in Carl Kress tuning)

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    Hello guys, this is my first post here so apologies in advance for any errors. I love this idea of a study group or some kind of group to help me develop playing and singing skills. Unlike the original poster and ecj, I started by singing and accompanying myself on guitar (just comping chords). My repertoire is mostly Brazilian music but I want to add jazz standards and guitar improvisation into the mix. Easier said than done I'm realizing. I appreciated ecj's realistic advice.

    I don't know how a group like this would work but I'll offer a video of a less famous jazz guitarist/singer whose technique and approach might be helpful.

    Ed Laub who is Bucky Pizzarelli's regular duo partner (not in this video).



    I took a good workshop with Ed and Bucky. Ed only comps fingerstyle but uses a pick for soloing.

    Hope we can keep this topic going.

    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomDC View Post
    Hello guys, this is my first post here so apologies in advance for any errors. I love this idea of a study group or some kind of group to help me develop playing and singing skills. Unlike the original poster and ecj, I started by singing and accompanying myself on guitar (just comping chords). My repertoire is mostly Brazilian music but I want to add jazz standards and guitar improvisation into the mix. Easier said than done I'm realizing. I appreciated ecj's realistic advice.

    I don't know how a group like this would work but I'll offer a video of a less famous jazz guitarist/singer whose technique and approach might be helpful.

    Ed Laub who is Bucky Pizzarelli's regular duo partner (not in this video).



    I took a good workshop with Ed and Bucky. Ed only comps fingerstyle but uses a pick for soloing.

    Hope we can keep this topic going.

    Tom
    I loved that. That is exactly what I am taking about.

    Should we a a few songs and get this group going ?

  16. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A View Post
    I loved that. That is exactly what I am taking about.

    Should we a a few songs and get this group going ?
    Your question is missing a key word so I'm not sure what you are proposing (though it still scares the hell out of me). What are you suggesting we do with those "few songs"?

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    How does this sound ?

    How does this sound ?

    A study group where we perform (sing and play) Jazz Standards, with the understanding that we are primarily guitarists.

    We pick a tune and share techniques and strategies like other groups do, culminating in one audio/video post every month ?

    I am open to other thoughts/ideas.

  18. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A View Post
    How does this sound ?

    A study group where we perform (sing and play) Jazz Standards, with the understanding that we are primarily guitarists.

    We pick a tune and share techniques and strategies like other groups do, culminating in one audio/video post every month ?

    I am open to other thoughts/ideas.

    That sounds like a great idea to me. What song do you and others have in mind? Maybe list a few and choose one?

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    "Each heart vibrates to that iron string."
    Ralph Waldo Emerson
    (who obviously played in Carl Kress tuning)

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    Suggested Song List

    Quote Originally Posted by TomDC View Post
    That sounds like a great idea to me. What song do you and others have in mind? Maybe list a few and choose one?

    Here is my Suggested list - 38 songs and a few kickers

    Steppin' out with my baby (Irving Berlin)
    Ain't Misbehavin
    Black Orpheus/A Day in the life of a Fool
    Corcovado
    Is you is or is you ain't my baby
    Moonlight in Vermont
    There will never be another you
    Don't Blame Me
    If I had you
    In the wee small hours of the morning
    Dream a little Dream of me
    Walkin my baby back home
    Old Folks
    Surrey with the Fringe on Top
    Stormy Weather
    I'm Confessin' that I love you
    My Blue Heaven
    The Girl from Ipanema
    Pennies from Heaven
    Gee Baby ain't I good to you
    On a slow boat to China
    So Nice (Summer Samba)
    Sometimes I'm Happy
    I could write a book
    They can't take that away from me
    S'Wonderful
    Can't Help loving that gal of mine
    I've got you under my skin
    I've got the world on a string
    What a difference a day made
    You'd be so nice to come home to
    Meditation
    Tea for two
    Taking a chance on love
    What a little moonlight can do
    Ain't she sweet
    It's all right with me
    I found a new baby

    And a couple outside the Jazz realm

    Honey Pie (by the Beatles)
    Kiss (by Prince)
    Baby I'm a Fool (by Melody Gardot)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A View Post
    Tea for two
    Took a stab at it:
    "Each heart vibrates to that iron string."
    Ralph Waldo Emerson
    (who obviously played in Carl Kress tuning)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A View Post
    There will never be another you
    Tried improvising and singing (trying to avoid toxic schmaltz):
    "Each heart vibrates to that iron string."
    Ralph Waldo Emerson
    (who obviously played in Carl Kress tuning)

  23. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A View Post
    Here is my Suggested list - 38 songs and a few kickers

    Steppin' out with my baby (Irving Berlin)
    Ain't Misbehavin
    Black Orpheus/A Day in the life of a Fool
    Corcovado
    Is you is or is you ain't my baby
    Moonlight in Vermont
    There will never be another you
    Don't Blame Me
    If I had you
    In the wee small hours of the morning
    Dream a little Dream of me
    Walkin my baby back home
    Old Folks
    Surrey with the Fringe on Top
    Stormy Weather
    I'm Confessin' that I love you
    My Blue Heaven
    The Girl from Ipanema
    Pennies from Heaven
    Gee Baby ain't I good to you
    On a slow boat to China
    So Nice (Summer Samba)
    Sometimes I'm Happy
    I could write a book
    They can't take that away from me
    S'Wonderful
    Can't Help loving that gal of mine
    I've got you under my skin
    I've got the world on a string
    What a difference a day made
    You'd be so nice to come home to
    Meditation
    Tea for two
    Taking a chance on love
    What a little moonlight can do
    Ain't she sweet
    It's all right with me
    I found a new baby

    And a couple outside the Jazz realm

    Honey Pie (by the Beatles)
    Kiss (by Prince)
    Baby I'm a Fool (by Melody Gardot)

    Great list. Just to throw a few more into the mix:

    Route 66
    it had to be you
    bye bye blackbird
    blue skies
    My funny Valentine

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    I loved it !!

    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot View Post
    Took a stab at it:

    I loved it !!
    Right on !!

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    Should we formalize . . .

    So, it looks like like destinytot has the right idea. Should we formalize ourselves into a formal study study group ? or just carry on informally on this thread ?

    Your thoughts ?

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    Study groups always do better with some kind of structure. Pick a tune, give a deadline. One per week, or every two weeks? Invite people to submit things later if they like, but at least having a deadline seems to help. My 2c...

  27. #57

    Yes, they do

    Yes, I agree.

    I was hoping that this thread would lead to a Study Group whereby we would pick one tune per month. I envision overriding "curriculum" if you will of a couple of dozen tunes, so that members could skip tunes that did not appeal to them and participate in months when the songs did appeal to them.

    Similar to what is done by the folks over in the "Practical Standards" Study Group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A View Post
    So, it looks like like destinytot has the right idea. Should we formalize ourselves into a formal study study group ? or just carry on informally on this thread ?

    Your thoughts ?
    Thanks, Double A!

    A couple of thoughts and a suggestion.

    I think the songs in the list are all fine (because it all comes down to interpretation/treatment), and I agree that having some kind of structure would be helpful.

    But I don't believe that their preparation - which needn't take more than a few minutes - warrants the kind of (slow and considered) pace followed on other forum study groups.

    Moreover, I believe the outcome ought to be improvised.

    So I suggest focusing on the 'hows and whys' of the approach(es) and style(s) each of us happens to favour.

    (Personally, I can infer enough information from recordings to be able to improvise the outcome. A quick glance at the list tells me that one half would suit Tele and the other Marty Grosz-Carl Kress tuning - what I'd need to decide on is each vocal key.)
    Last edited by destinytot; 11-15-2017 at 05:31 AM. Reason: Typos
    "Each heart vibrates to that iron string."
    Ralph Waldo Emerson
    (who obviously played in Carl Kress tuning)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMB View Post
    He was one of France's most famous pop singers! Distel wrote The Good Life, a tune covered by Tony Bennett, Frank Sinatra, Sarah Vaughan, Betty Carter, Nancy Wilson...
    And what an excellent song it is.

    I'm serious about purging the twee/schmaltz/cheese - because this music offers catharsis.

    That doesn't get watered down here because of the storytelling:
    "Each heart vibrates to that iron string."
    Ralph Waldo Emerson
    (who obviously played in Carl Kress tuning)

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    A month feels like too long a time for a single tune to me.

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