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Originally Posted by fasstrack
Getz unsurprisingly stands out, more due to his sound than note choices or phrasing, but, it's amazing how similar these guys sound on this record and how they all come out of Pres in slightly different ways. I've listened to this record a ton and I still couldn't reliably identify soloing order in a blindfold test.
Honestly I think the guitarist that reminds me the most of Stan is Charlie Christian.
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09-26-2017 12:43 PM
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It says a lot about Jimmy Raney that on his date (at 26 years old, with Motion, etc.) that was re-released as Early Getz b/c of Stan's bigger name it seems like Stan was keeping up with HIM as far as being what was then called 'modern'. Another guitarist now in his 70s was telling me Stan was learning bebop from Jimmy---and I agree. Stan was coming from Pres then, Raney from Bird. I thought Live at Storyville a classic (I like Birdland '52 even more) and you really can hear them playing the heads like one mind, but different approaches on the solos. I think that as much as Stan evolved and grew---and challenged himself hiring younger players later he never lost that Pres singing quality and directness. And he had the technique to play way more notes.
Maybe that's why Pres called him 'my singer'...
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I might be completely out of genre here, but the guitar playing which immediately made me think "saxophone" was Alan Holdsworth's playing on the "Feels Good to Me" album by Bruford. Not the whole time but in glimpses. And more like an alto or soprano and not tenor. Has to do with overdrive, some compression and clever use of tone bending.
Last edited by teeps; 09-26-2017 at 05:10 PM.
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Originally Posted by teeps
The sax playing of Coltrane has inspired people like John McLaughlin. The sax playing of Peter Brotzman has had an effect on Sonny Sharrock. We might even say Boots Randolph and the Yakkity sax influenced Chet Atkins. But, I don't think any of them really addresses the OP question of a guitarist who fits the Stan Getz sensibility. Getz was a real melodic phraser, and not so much a linear sound sheets player, at least in the things he recorded publicly, or that I'm aware of.
Maybe Holdsworth does too, I just don't hear it. Now Wayne Shorter, maybe but Stan Getz? Do you really think Holdsworth fits the Bossa Nova or Kenny Barron niche? Hmmm, Learn something new every day I guess.
Expanding my ears all the time. Thanks!
David
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Jim Hall?
Big, saxophone-influenced sound, shorter phrases than, say, Raney, composing rather than licks. Only problem: He sounds so much like Jim Hall...
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OK, then. Sorry, I didn't intend to step on anybody. Charlie Byrd for the lyrical and Jimmy Raney for the melodic phrasing.
Last edited by teeps; 09-26-2017 at 06:27 PM.
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For my money, a direct comparison to Getz doesn't exist but there are touchpoints. Getz had a lovely singing tone and a huge dynamic range - much greater than a guitar - but the salient features of his playing, IMHO, are his lyricism, natural melodic sense, and ability to phrase on any part of the beat. The guitar player who most has that trait of freely starting and ending phrases anywhere before, on or after the beat was Howard Roberts.
Any number of players use fx pedals to expand their dynamic range (Holdsworth, Frisell, etc) but that lyrical, breathy sound Getz had is really unique to the horn and personally, I like it that way. If I had only one CD on my desert island for the next 30 years or so it would be Getz/Gilberto.Last edited by AndyV; 09-27-2017 at 05:56 AM.
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Originally Posted by fasstrack
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Originally Posted by paulcw16
Last edited by savofenno; 09-27-2017 at 09:09 AM.
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
Last edited by fasstrack; 09-28-2017 at 11:51 AM.
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
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To be honest, I DO think he's less skilled. Never leaves space, can't swing at all, I don't like his attack or phrasing (8th notes sound more country than jazz), doesn't tell a story for me---lotta things fall way short to my way of listening if you're comparing him to these other guys. But he's great at what he does and I respect and enjoy it for that...
I do think when he plays solo guitar he becomes the story teller - and I'd travel far to hear Pat do a solo concert.
Back to the OP . I dont know about Getz-like , but Johnny Smith and Getz seem to have a great synergy. Johnny is present and correct on every note - just like Stan.
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And Getz/Raney. Smith was a master guitarist and class act. Raney was more of a jazz player to me...
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Last edited by fasstrack; 10-03-2017 at 08:04 PM.
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Originally Posted by gator811
Has anyone played or had a Supro Amulet ?
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