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07-02-2016, 06:15 PM #1776destinytot GuestOriginally Posted by ChuckCorbis
I did find the use of font sizes and GIF imagery very helpful, and I think it's a very clear elucidation of the concepts in Tuck Andress's article.
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07-02-2016, 06:45 PM #1777destinytot GuestOriginally Posted by ChuckCorbis
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07-02-2016, 07:23 PM #1778destinytot Guest
I went back to the article and looked at the section on Circle Picking. I haven't seen Pasquale Grasso's master classes yet, but I plan on doing so this month (and I'm having a Skype lesson with him on 1st August). I''m not sure, but I suspect he does that or something similar - blending melody into small chords played with pick and fingers.
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Originally Posted by destinytot
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07-02-2016, 07:40 PM #1780destinytot GuestOriginally Posted by ChuckCorbis
From the description box of this YouTube video: "If you have been influenced by George Benson, you have been touched with the influence of jazz guitar great Hank Garland."
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I feel the article gives trad picking short shrift (as it does with the original Tuck Andress) as it doesn't discuss Gypsy style picking either.
But as a demonstration of Benson picking, it's pretty hard to beat.
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I've said it before but I think Troy Grady 's material makes the Andress article and that not particularly good follow-up pretty much obsolete. Benson grip works if you have a very flexible thumb joint, otherwise stick to a normal grip IMO, then it's just a like the Yngwie or Django type of technique. No need for tape or anything of the sort.
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Originally Posted by m_d
I like the sound you get with the Benson grip better that the trad grip for straightahead electric archtop playing. Also it facilitates alternate picking a lot better, because as I see it you are using the shape of the pick to assist. But I find right hand muting difficult to acheive with this picking style (I'm an under the strings guy when I Benson pick.)
I think the trad grip is more flexible. It also allows for hybrid picking etc.Last edited by christianm77; 07-03-2016 at 07:07 AM.
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07-03-2016, 07:14 AM #1784destinytot GuestOriginally Posted by m_dthat not particularly good follow-up
Please could you expand on the following (specifically, 'very flexible thumb joint')?
Benson grip works if you have a very flexible thumb joint, otherwise stick to a normal grip IMO
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07-03-2016, 07:17 AM #1785destinytot GuestOriginally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by christianm77
To answer destiny's question, BPTstructurally it's very uncomfortable to me - it is facilitated IMO by having a super flexible thumb as Benson does
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07-03-2016, 08:27 AM #1787destinytot Guest
Sound wise, perhaps not. But I think there's more to it.
Surely the whole person is playing? I think "Who's plucking your strings" is a very useful question (in a way that 'Benson-clone' sniping wasn't).
I believe there's a connection between personality and musical taste - perhaps personality is even our best creative resource.
For me, 'Benson Picking' is the most compelling way to play 'jazz'-inflected lines on guitar in what was once called 'race music' - but I dont find it so for 'jazz'.
I think guitarists are advantaged by the possibility of polyphonic plucking.- although there are other ways to play (cue Grant Green).
And, as the writer of that article claims (towards the end, in the part about raising the guitar), 'Benson Pickers' project a certain attitude.Last edited by destinytot; 07-03-2016 at 08:29 AM. Reason: Typos
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07-03-2016, 08:31 AM #1788destinytot GuestOriginally Posted by m_d
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Originally Posted by m_d
Theres nothing objective about it. I just tried the other grip and liked the way it sounded (and felt.)
You may prefer the other sound, and that's cool too.
Technically, I feel slightly freer and more flexible using a benson grip, but I doubt there's much difference tbh. Upstrokes are a bit more natural.
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Originally Posted by destinytot
A lot of people I see trying to emulate the grip don't or can't bend the index into that "almost" right angle and this is because their thumb won't or can't bend and is too long.
This simply pushes the index finger straight and you get the "pick at the tip of a pair of scissors" look.
Having said that (and suffering from the "PATTOAPOS" syndrome myself too a degree) I don't think that it will stop you from getting the benefits of the tech.
Re the elbow movement and forearm movement. Check out the clip of GB at sound check here in Australia. The lick that begins at 20 sec is the nastiest little lick to play at that speed. I mean NASTY. Please try it. George plays it like he is asleep. No effort whatsoever.
You can see that there is some forearm movement but not much. Possibly the forearm moves because it happens to be attached to his wrist and his wrist is moving. He is also going fast from the top string to the bottom string so the arm has to move a little. I think what we are seeing here is the power and accuracy of the wrist, small movements and pick angle not to mention a supremely gifted player at the top of his game.
Go to 20 secs and work out the lick. Good luck with that!
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Originally Posted by Philco
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07-04-2016, 05:23 PM #1792destinytot GuestOriginally Posted by setemupjoe
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Wow great effort Mark and destiny tot.....I worked on this last year some time and just revisited.
Mark I think we have a couple of different notes but the same positions.
I listened again note by note and I think I have it a little different.
The thing about this lick is that it comes down to the fingering and the use of the rest stroke.
George is playing this really hard. Really getting the motion from the rest strokes.
Without the fingering (which you can slow down in Transcribe) and the rest strokes I honestly don't think you could play this with such force.
The BT technique that we speak of is all those things. Not just the grip. I love the way GB only uses the 4th finger if he absolutely has to. Economy of movement I guess.
Here's my take on that lick......I need to work on it a bit more!!
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07-05-2016, 02:22 PM #1794destinytot Guest
@1m20, some ('off-the-deep-end', perhaps) perspective on where 'arm' movement comes from:
I think of work on 'ears' and 'listening' as biomechanical, too.
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That's what I'm getting from GB. He 's locked into to the music in a organic way rhythmically. Very flexible too.
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07-05-2016, 02:58 PM #1796destinytot GuestOriginally Posted by ChuckCorbis
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I saw a clip of GB, Phil Upchurch (bass) and Chick Corea from a TV show. GB and Phil move there leg and sway in time. Chick too.
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07-05-2016, 04:03 PM #1798destinytot GuestOriginally Posted by ChuckCorbis
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Chick's laying it down with Phil. Yeah that one. Nice
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Since this thread started there have been a lot of posts with video and or pictures that are no longer available. Also quite a bit written (in the first 30 or so pages I've managed to get through) about JC Stylles Benson Picking tutorial, which is now listed at $495. Not sure what it was originally but that seems a bit steep.
Anyhow I'd really appreciate it if someone could (re)post a shot/shots/video of "The Shape" and "The Shake" for those of us late to the party.
FWIW I've seen the Fretboard Anatomy page that aims to make the Tuck Andress picking monograph visual and I assume it's pretty accurate since I haven't seen anyone in the last few pages of this thread say otherwise, but I'd still like to be able to put a mental image to all the posts that refer to the Shape and the Shake. Thanks in advance!
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