Practical Standards Study Group Jan. 2012 "Straight No Chaser"

[fep]

Larry after learning the melody, I like to start with playing chords thru the chord progression in one position. Then do the same choosing a couple of other positions. Then the same working up and down the neck.

Next I like to run arpeggios over those same chord fingerings that I come up with from the above exercises.

Next run scales over those fingerings/position(s).

And last try to jam on the chord progression trying to use those tools, and I love hearing the blues notes so I like to sprinkle that in hear and there.

And if I find something I like I try to remember it, better yet write it down in my lick diary (I don't do that enough though).

When I get some time I'll write up some examples.

Yes, a lot of steps... I'm sure the more advanced players don't have to do any of this, but it seems to work for me and is a good learning experience.

[larryb]

Thanks!!!!

Originally Posted by fep

Larry after learning the melody, I like to start with playing chords thru the chord progression in one position. Then do the same choosing a couple of other positions. Then the same working up and down the neck.

Next I like to run arpeggios over those same chord fingerings that I come up with from the above exercises.

Next run scales over those fingerings/position(s).

And last try to jam on the chord progression trying to use those tools, and I love hearing the blues notes so I like to sprinkle that in hear and there.

And if I find something I like I try to remember it, better yet write it down in my lick diary (I don't do that enough though).

When I get some time I'll write up some examples.

Yes, a lot of steps... I'm sure the more advanced players don't have to do any of this, but it seems to work for me and is a good learning experience.

[fep]

Here you go Larry,

I thought it would be quicker for me to post a video than write up these examples.

Like I said, the advanced players probably don't go thru all of this, but I find it useful:

YouTube Video

[larryb]

Thank you, Fep. This is really helpful. I guess the concept is to use a song to learn whatever chords, arpeggios, scales, licks, etc it takes to make it work and then move on to the next song and do it all over again. Makes complete sense and a lot more focused and interesting than learning all the pieces out of context.

Thanks.

[mississippi]

Originally Posted by tytlfamily

Ok, A late attempt, but here is my go....very rough and no head, just the solo. Please crituqe !

Thanks, Tytl



Straight No Chaser.mp3 - File Shared from Box - Free Online File Storage

Hey ty

sounds like your fingers were dancing on the fret board. very nice feel in your playing

[wizard3739]

Anyone else ready for a new "old standard" to work on?

wiz

[tytlfamily]

Well, went back and my changed my version, shorter, and a little more coherent I think.

Straigh No Chaser.mp3 - File Shared from Box - Free Online File Storage
Tytl

[wizard3739]

hIya tytlfamily, I really enjoyed your 2nd post for this song. I heard a good groove with a really nice variety of good improv lines. I especially liked the way you worked in the octave lines, that approach sounded very professional to me. nice job!

wiz

[tytlfamily]

Thanks Wiz, I appreciate that from you. I also appreciate your work in the practical standards group......I hope to be a regular from now on!

[fep]

Originally Posted by wizard3739

Anyone else ready for a new "old standard" to work on?

wiz

Hey Wiz,

I'll start the poll tomorrow.

Next month we are going to choose an easy Jazz Standard that might get called often at a jazz session. Easy melody, easy tempo, easy chord progression to improvise over.

I'll pick the first one... Summertime

I'm looking for five tunes for our poll that fit that 'easy' criteria that I listed above. Suggestions anyone? (Not Blue Bossa as we have already done that one.)

[wizard3739]

Hiya FEP, How about "At Last", Etta James biggest hit or "All Of Me". If you need backing tracks, I have them (BIAB realtracks) for almost any of the old standards.

wiz

[Blanche87]

Thank you so much! I'll try them in an our. Thanks again.

[Modern Saint]

This thread is slick. I may be late to the dance but as a newb to the forum I am going to try and give it a roll this weekend - we shall see.

[fep]

On Jan 4th Howard said:

Originally Posted by wizard3739

Sorry to be late on this one, I didn't have time to do much with it.

Hey Howard, Now here is a submission that is really late.

I did Blue Monk as an intro... yeah that's what I'll call it, an intro to Straight No Chaser:

Wondering away from the traditional jazz guitar sound....

YouTube Video

[Kojo27]

Originally Posted by fep

On Jan 4th Howard said:



Hey Howard, Now here is a submission that is really late.

I did Blue Monk as an intro... yeah that's what I'll call it, an intro to Straight No Chaser:

Wondering away from the traditional jazz guitar sound....

Hey fep -- I like it! Good playing throughout, and I especially liked Blue Monk on that wild guitar w/ wild sound! A Godin???? (I've been wrestling lately with the idea of the "traditional guitar sound" vs. every other possible sound on guitar -- some new sounds *do* work very well, I think.)

Love your music room, too (mine's here somewhere - I just can't always find it....)

Thanks for sharing -- post more!

kj

[wizard3739]

Hey Frank, that was really fun! good lines for both! Was that a wah-wah or something else? As you can probably guess, I liked the Straight No Chaser best, especially with the good comping I saw and heard with your groovy jazzy version. Really nice blues lines for both songs. thanks for sharing.

wiz

[fep]

Originally Posted by Kojo27

Hey fep -- I like it! Good playing throughout, and I especially liked Blue Monk on that wild guitar w/ wild sound! A Godin???? (I've been wrestling lately with the idea of the "traditional guitar sound" vs. every other possible sound on guitar -- some new sounds *do* work very well, I think.)

Love your music room, too (mine's here somewhere - I just can't always find it....)

Thanks for sharing -- post more!

kj

Thanks Loren,

I think it's funny, I started humming and singing the melody to "Straight No Chaser" and when I did I was singing with a wah wah affect. Then I sat down and worked out the melody on the guitar. In the mean time I listened to some posts on this thread and realized... What I was singing and learned on the guitar wasn't Straight No Chaser, I was singing and learned Blue Monk, ha ha.

The wah wah sound I was after came from my memory of where Steely Dan plays East St. Louis Toodle-Oo , where a guitar sounded a bit like a trumpet with a plunger mute.

I tried with a wah wah, but couldn't work it out to my liking. So, I used an envelope filter, that's what you hear.

The guitar is a Godin as you guessed, this one: Godin Guitars

[fep]

Originally Posted by wizard3739

Hey Frank, that was really fun! good lines for both! Was that a wah-wah or something else? As you can probably guess, I liked the Straight No Chaser best, especially with the good comping I saw and heard with your groovy jazzy version. Really nice blues lines for both songs. thanks for sharing.

wiz

Thank Howard,

It was an envelope filter, something in my pedal board that I never tried before. It sounds like a wah wah, but is trigger by how hard you pick, pick soft - no effect, pick harder - you get the effect. You can dial in the sensitivity too.

I like the comping best also. I think it's because I've done it so much. Single line soloing is more difficult for me.

[tytlfamily]

Yep, that was pretty cool....... Really loved the second half. Comping and solo/melody. Nice tone also, a little bit of grit in there!

[Kojo27]

Originally Posted by fep

Thanks Loren,

The wah wah sound I was after came from my memory of where Steely Dan plays East St. Louis Toodle-Oo , where a guitar sounded a bit like a trumpet with a plunger mute.

I tried with a wah wah, but couldn't work it out to my liking. So, I used an envelope filter, that's what you hear.

Ah - my effects board has that, but I never really knew what to do with it. Guess what I'm about to fiddle around with now. : )

(Cool Godin!)

[Jzzr]

Originally Posted by fep

Hey Wiz,

I'll start the poll tomorrow.

Next month we are going to choose an easy Jazz Standard that might get called often at a jazz session. Easy melody, easy tempo, easy chord progression to improvise over.

I'll pick the first one... Summertime

I'm looking for five tunes for our poll that fit that 'easy' criteria that I listed above. Suggestions anyone? (Not Blue Bossa as we have already done that one.)

How about Sunny?

[M-ster]

For a while there, you guys were including Ruby My Dear, and I got to really like that tune. It likely is less typical for the bandstand, but I hope we return to that one, at some point.

[fep]

Hey Jzzr and M-ster,

Sorry, I posted the poll last night. Maybe next time.

To all,

Here's the poll, please vote

http://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/jazzg...song-poll.html

[wizard3739]

me too, Mster, it is one of my all-time favorites because the harmonic structure of the tune is really interesting and beautiful.

wiz

[srlank]

I really like Ruby My Dear too.....or other Monk tunes

[guitarify]

Originally Posted by fep

Here you go Larry,

I thought it would be quicker for me to post a video than write up these examples.

Like I said, the advanced players probably don't go thru all of this, but I find it useful:

After reading a hundred times that the best way to learn jazz is to learn some songs, I finally decided to start learning some songs. This thread seemed a great place to start and your video was really helpful. Thanks!

[doveman]

My "take 2" ... added the "head" of the tune. Even though I've been learning some new things, I find they are not popping yet when playing and the tape running. So there will have to be a "take 3" eventually. Having fun with the learning ... but have a bit too much that I'm looking at ... at the same time. A bit overwhelmed and it's not under my fingers yet.

Straight, No Chaser (T. Monk Cover) by Doveman Project

Anyway ... the latest take ... at the link above. Probably should of played the head an octave up too.

[M-ster]

Originally Posted by fep

Hey Jzzr and M-ster,

Sorry, I posted the poll last night. Maybe next time.

Not a problem. I had already seen and voted in the poll - I just thought it might be nice to keep Ruby alive for future consideration.

[evernn]

With the PDF format what relation? Don't quite understand
. Or like jazz music
.