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BTW what I posted has nothing to do with the 8 note scale. All you cats getting confused between chords and improvisation, as the man himself might say.
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02-07-2018 11:37 AM
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I think practicing and playing are two different things. You think in the former and listen in the latter. See Hal Crook's How to Improvise.
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Originally Posted by paulcw16
1) stop the rockers playing in the practice room
2) stop the jazzers practicing on the bandstand
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Originally Posted by christianm77
That was going to be my question...I was fooling around with a Harmonic Minor with a b7 and natural 7 which I use often in Blues ( or from 2 to 2 over a Dom7 for example ..starts and ends on ninth- works over other degrees also ).
So it is an 8 note scale and with both Sevenths it can be used on the ii¤ or alt V in a ii¤- V- i but seems slightly imperfect all the way over the ii ¤ - V but most scales do ...right ?
Any ideas ? Based off Harmonic Minor including transpositions...
I also tried for G minor ( as the i ) Key:
A - B - C - D- Eb- F- G - Ab starting on the ii¤ which is pretty good over the whole ii¤ - V
Works starting on the ii OR on the V but in both cases over entire ii ¤ - V.
So just over the ii ¤ - V - best one scale solutions to try are ?
Also the regular Harmonic Minor ( plus b7) on the root of ii chord and on the root of the V sound pretty good over entire ii ¤ - V.
What others...?Last edited by Robertkoa; 02-08-2018 at 01:52 PM.
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You’ll find that exact scale in many bop lines.
In Barry land we would think of the G7 (mixo) scale on Bm7b5 going and then putting the G up to a G# (running in the third of E7b9)
Which is actually the same thing.
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I think the scales are really just the basics of line building and are often actually fairly simple. You can get tons of bop language out of just the dominant/mixolydian scales if you know what you are doing.
Last edited by christianm77; 02-08-2018 at 04:23 PM.
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50/50... I like relying on a good bass player to bring me into the next chord, especially if I've played with them awhile. I have a feeling (if we can call it that), where the piece is going as well, but playing with a good bass player, and listening, makes the magic.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
What's Harris second most useful 8 note scale ?
It sounds kind of Modern though too...not 'old school' over the R&B Jazz stuff... with different Alt V voicings .
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I’d rather not think but hear
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Originally Posted by Robertkoa
BH's 8 note scales are:
Maj6-dim - 1 2 3 4 5 #5/b6 6 7 1
Min6-dim - 1 2 b3 4 5 #5/b6 6 7 1
Dom7-dim - 1 2 3 4 5 #5/b6 b7 1
Dom7b5-dim - 1 2 3 4 b5 #5/b6 b7 1
These scales are not used so much for creating lines, but chords & chord progressions.
It sounds kind of Modern though too...not 'old school' over the R&B Jazz stuff... with different Alt V voicings .
Only V7 alteration not in the scale is b5.
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