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Here's my take on bars 1-24. Version 1 at 110 bpm. Version 2 at 125
Notes:
In version 1, I played a triplet to start measure 9 (vs. quarter notes). In version 2, I played measure 9 as written.
In both versions, for measure 6, beat 4 I opted to play the D on the 3rd string, 12th fret.
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11-18-2017 10:51 AM
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Nice! I noticed you went with the middle position on the pickup selector for the second time through. Bold move!
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Here is my week 3, mm. 1-24. I'm playing really slowly because (a) I couldn't play cleanly at the higher tempos I was seeking to use, and (b) I was struggling with the time and phrasing and slowed way down to figure out the problem, which was... embarrassing. In measure 7 I was leaving out a pair of 8th notes, which threw me off for a beat. So I recorded this slowly to play cleanly and to re-learn these measures with the right phrasing in terms of the chord changes.
Sheesh. This is my Epiphone Elitist Broadway, a wonderful sounding and playing guitar that I likely will be selling to thin the herd and generate some cash for Christmas!
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
p.s. Good luck with the sale. That's a great sounding guitar.
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Okay so here's another take, using a "real" (i.e. human) backing track from the Hal Leonard Real Book tracks, which can be tricky to play along with (kind of like some rhythm sections!). I still have trouble feeling "in the pocket" with this one.
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Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
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Here is my take on the full solo (36 bars) at 125 bps. I have to admit this project took some work.
The first version is with my Gibson 1996 L5 CES and the second one is with my "new" Gibson 1957 ES-175 (recently purchased from a forum member).
Notes:
- Measure 6: I play the "G" note on the 3rd string, 12th fret rather than as written (2nd string, 8th fret)
- Measures 24-25: I play these at frets 3-6. rather than at frets 8-11 as my L5 tends to sound muddy when I played them on the 5th (A) and 6th (E) strings as written.
I'm glad to have another Robert Conti project in the books. Looking forward to our final project of Ticket To Improve, Volume 2.
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Hi guys,
Here is my late submission to All The Things you are. Bars 1 - 16
Bars 1- 16
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Originally Posted by Doublea A
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Hi folks -- enjoying this activity mostly, I've needed an excuse to work on this solo. While I'm working through it, I find two things: first I don't like the solo (!) as it does not sound very musical to me so my natural tendency is to morph it a little to suit my ears, and second, I have a hard time relating the lines in it to the underlying chords. It's quite difficult for me to hear and extract ii-V-I lines here that I can imagine using on other songs. Am sure they can be, but it's probably related to my first reaction -- these lines seem sort of lifeless to me. So when playing the solo, I don't 'hear' the chord changes very easily and if I stop to think 'what chord am I on now?', I have to check the tab. Is this just a 'learning' stage that passes (most of you here seem to be nailing this one pretty quickly).
thanks
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Originally Posted by odel
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
The phrasing on the Conti stuff is really square and corny...but the nuts and bolts are there...
I do think that's the most useful exercise to do with these things...and I think it's what Bob suggests, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by odel
Welcome to our study group! I'm sure Mr. Conti would have no problem with you morphing his lines. As we close in on completing Volume 2, I am becoming more comfortable with Conti's methodolgy. The TTI series is his entry level improv course, so I imagine he needs to keep the degree of difficult to a reasonable level. Practicing these solos has really helped my technique (lots of arpeggios and chromatic lines).
Lastly, I certainly didn't "nail this one pretty quickly." It took a lot of work to get it reasonably under my fingers. At my age, everything seems to take a lot of effort!
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Originally Posted by odel
So patience has proven helpful at least to me. And yes, we all do change up the solos rather freely, which is what Conti repeatedly says on the video lessons we need to be doing.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
By a stroke of luck, I had the good fortune of seeing Conti performing at NAMM a few years ago. In the midst of the crowd, there were some major players I heard raving about his skill.
Several months later, I saw him again in Las Vegas. To my surprise, he remembered me from NAMM, and graciously invited me to join him and a few of his A-List musician friends for cocktails. To say the least, I learned quite a bit about the music business.
I don't post often but follow topics of interest like the progress of this study group. Over the last few years, I've seen where you made several derogatory, unwarranted, and frankly offensive comments against Robert. Although I'm not at their level, along with the gentlemen in this study group (Los Altos, Lawson, Double A) I am a fan of Conti's learning materials.
Mr. Beaumont, I was unable to find any career data on you - no albums and no press. My job travel allows me to see many pro players. In conversation, I've not heard any pro make such negative comments. So I have one question for you. Unless you have an egotistical need to denigrate a successful musician, what authority, skill, or accomplishments in the music industry allow you to make such a callous comment?
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thanks all-- definitely not complaining or criticizing Conti, he's a monster player, without doubt. My comment was just that the solo sort of seems sort of flat and mechanical to my ears (but definitely not to my fingers, it's a challenge to get it down). I tried recording a video, which was an object lesson in itself (just how many takes did you guys do to get one that's passable?). Can't quite figure how to load it here though (yeah, newbie problems, I know -- but do I have to upload to a third party site first to be able to link it in or can I just plop it here somehow?)
Interesting point Lawson about not thinking chords or changes, but thinking 'tune'. I sort of get it but still resort to extracting everything as a ii-V-I where I can since that's how I was first told how to 'hear' lines. When I think of ATTYA as a tune, I hear the melody and want to play around with that, but I guess I'm struggling to wrap the lines around chords. So I can 'see' some parts where the line fits the chord (e.g., the opening Fm7 or the Cm7 in bar 9) but get quite lost thinking of say the opening extended line as a vi-ii-V-1 in Ab. I think I am hearing you say 'not to worry', just get the lines down and move on...am trying. I suppose this is symptomatic of much about learning jazz, not just this lesson.
Anyway, you're all inspiring me to keep going...hope this one does not end before I can get a grip.
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Originally Posted by JerryB
They aren't super hip, but that's not really the point. He has other videos on a more advanced level, but regardless, everyone's entitled to their opinion. Mr. B's a great player and a super generous long-time member. Get to know him.
Anyway, I have vol. 3 of TTI at home from a few years back I think. Is that the blues one? I'd be willing to join in if I can find it.
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Originally Posted by odel
Just how many takes did you guys do to get one that's passable?.
Anyway, you're all inspiring me to keep going...hope this one does not end before I can get a grip.
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Originally Posted by odel
We can always use another person playing the solo and putting up the clips to contribute to the conversation!
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Originally Posted by odel
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Originally Posted by JerryB
My own view is that if you don't want to do the work, post the clips, and be part of the conversation, your certainly have the "right" to post your remarks here, but you do not have the right to expect anyone to respect them.
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Originally Posted by odel
I have never had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Conti but I get the impression through this video series that he is the type of person that likes to puts as much as he can into everything he does. His solos reflect his personality. He puts so many great ideas into his solos that they sometimes lose their musicality. If you are new to this material, I can tell you from my experience that it takes a little time to get "into" this style. It is sort of like walking into a small room with 267 guitars. It feels like, "here's a great idea, and here is another, and another, or and here is another one". I find it helpful to first try a 4 or 8 bar sequence on my own, then I watch the video description, then I return to the practice room.
I know that these are rather simple solos comparatively speaking to others out there, however, I believe that you can always learn something from accredited teachers. I have been playing professionally for over 30 years and I have been teaching Jazz Guitar for 25 years, I still find that there is something that you can learn from new approaches. That is what led me to these study groups. I find that being in a group like this makes you accountable and gives your practice a definitive direction. I try to combine these Conti solos with other methods as a way of comparing approaches to Jazz Standards.
I would say try a couple of the Conti solos, maybe even goo back to Volume 1 and see if this method will work for you. If you think that it is helpful in any way stick with it. This is a great group of guys to "hang" with !!
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
I sometimes get it in one sitting, but sometimes it takes 3 or 4 days.
You need to enjoy the process !!
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