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I enjoy memorizing these solos. It's pretty much the only times I sound like a real jazz guitar player.
Once after playing a memorized Jimmy Raney solo, my amp thought it had been sold to a real jazz musician.
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08-11-2017 09:56 AM
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I know Conti specifically says "don't worry about playing the exact notes for bar 18", but I'm worried about bar 18. I don't understand where that line is coming from, and that usually isn't a problem with these Conti solos. All the notes are diatonic to Db, so that much is clear (except for the natural E at the end, but that is just a chromatic passing tone).
At the beginning of the section he says that the lines spell out the chords. That seems pretty consistent with his playing so far. But if I look at this line it spells out: Ab-F-Bb-Eb. So what is this? An Ab69? As a substitution for the Ab7? Is this a common bebop device for playing over a dominant chord? He does use the b7 in the line, even though not on a down beat. Does that make it a Ab13add9?
I know, I know, that kind of analysis is anathema to Conti. I can't help it. Understanding helps me to assimilate it.
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Originally Posted by rlrhett
Mike
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Originally Posted by MikeS
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Originally Posted by rlrhett
So in that measure, relative to the Ab7, we have:
Ab Gb F Gb Bb Db Eb E nat
1 b7 6 b7 2 4 5 #5
Interestingly, what's missing in the line is C, the 3rd (rel. to Ab7), which will give the arpeggio in m. 19 a sparkle as the highest note in the line. One of the things that makes this line nice is that it doesn't just have the "white-bread" feel of easy chord-tones on downbeats, but exploits legitimate upper extensions on downbeats since they are not altered or tension tones. They do give the line a slippery feel, which is part of the charm of bossa-nova, which tends to slide all around on the beats. Despite using scale and chord-tones, the line generates a kind of tension that only gets resolved on the DbMaj7 arpeggio in m. 19-20.
This is a hard line to play thinking about downbeats. I can feel the downbeat easiest on beat 1 of each measure, but the others I just play evenly by blind faith and I'm always surprised when I end the line in the right spot!
I dunno if that helps at all, but it's how I've thought my way through this part.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
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One Note Samba Improvisation
Bars 1-16
Here goes Bars 1-16
Mike
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
FWIW, as I play it more I see a Gb6 all over the first two bars. Which I guess makes sense from a Barry Harris way of thinking.
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Originally Posted by rlrhett
Admittedly, baby steps!
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I know, I know. To quote Conti, "don't get hung up on all that theory nonsense".
Thing is that it does actually help me play it better if it isn't just rote memory. As long as the quest for understanding doesn't get in the way of playing the lines, I think it can be OK. Just don't tell Conti I said so. :P
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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One Note Samba Improvisation
Bars 1-24
Playing catch up. Here are Bars 1-24.
Mike
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Friends,
I tend to work ahead because it takes me so long just to get these lines learned and playable in a way that feels natural. So I've been working today on mm. 25-28 and I'm very, very confused.
On the DVD Conti talks about a "trill" and from the video it looks like the trill is on a double-stop with F and Ab. But where he talks about this, in connection with measure 26, there are just two F notes. Then in the next line, at measure 30, we get the F Ab double-stop, but no indication of a trill. At that point, however, measure 30, he presents a different phrase. It's all good, and I am learning what he plays on the video, but it's puzzling to see not just a slight change in phrasing , which we're used to, but completely different phrases.
So I'm wondering if there is perhaps an updated version of the transcription on some later releases of the DVD or if (since the lines are based on the same chords) the expressions are interchangeable there and it doesn't matter. If the latter, normally he tells us since we (okay, I) am basically clueless.
Anybody else encounter this?Last edited by lawson-stone; 08-14-2017 at 05:11 PM.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Additionally, on measure 32 there is and added F not annotated to complete the augmented line.
Mike
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So I'm still struggling a bit with 25-32, so thought I'd post a "so far, so... meh" video of 1-28. The backing track I'm using also can be a little slippery for finding the beat, which I guess is part of the charm of bossa nova.
I've mic'd the L5ces through the Polytone for this recording. I'm having fun exploring differences in recording direct from the pre-amp versus mic'ing the speaker. Still not sure which I prefer.
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So I have tried to day to "nail" mm. 25-32 and something just isn't happening. Part of it is having to figure out what goes in the erroneously transcribed measures, but also I'm just not getting something.
So here are a few "loops" of my efforts at 25-32. If you have any advice, I can surely use it.
I will say at least I got good tone!
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I thought we were on week three? I'm still on measures 16-24. Guess I have to dig the spurs in.
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Originally Posted by rlrhett
So I was just hung up on this portion and wondering if anyone else had gotten there yet.
We are indeed on week 3 and I'm just jumping the shark because I tend to fall on the shark's nose...
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I will take a look at that section today. Hopefully I will have something helpful/intelligent to say.
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Hey Guys
Just so you know... Robert Conti is still following our thread! He saw my query about those measures and contacted me on Facebook Messenger and commented. "Don't obsess about playing the solo perfectly, as it is meant for student interpretation."
I am really impressed that some how or others, this guy is keeping up with our progress through his material. I know of very few other "big name" teachers who would do that!
He knows how to keep a customer coming back. Just care about them and pay attention to them.
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Have we deduced that the notes in Bar 22 are wrong ?
Should the A's and G's be flat ?
F natural ? E flat ?
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Originally Posted by Doublea A
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Originally Posted by Doublea A
René Magritte
Today, 05:03 AM in Chord-Melody