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Same here. When practicing a certain etude I often catch myself suddenly slipping into a phrase that comes from a different etude because I "hear" it in my head. I think that this a good thing because I'm starting to build kind of a repertoire of phrases of different length that I hopefully will be able to mix and match in the future - going to "real" improvisation from there.
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03-11-2017 02:08 PM
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Yeah TOMMO, my guess is Frank would see no problem in that!
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
I'd think that it's his goal in teaching via those etudes
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I have a couple of TrueFire Frank Vignola Data Discs for Sale on Ebay in case anyone is interested.
I tend to use the app on my iPad so I do not need the the disc.
It was sent to me by TrueFire Department of Redundancy Department. LOL
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Do you have a link? Originally Posted by Doublea A
I have a couple of TrueFire Frank Vignola Data Discs for Sale on Ebay in case anyone is interested.
I tend to use the app on my iPad so I do not need the the disc.
It was sent to me by TrueFire Department of Redundancy Department. LOL
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Frank Vignola Chord Melody Essentials Originally Posted by edh
Frank Vignola 1 2 3 Jazz
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Instead of just recording the etude, I tried to perform this as I would in a club.
1. Play the melody (to I Got Rhythm)
2. Play the solo (Frank's Solo)
3. Play Chords ( while the bassist takes his solo)
4. Another solo (I wouldn't normally do that, but more on this later)
5. Melody out
During the fourth chorus, I tried to incorporate a couple of things that Frank was stressing in his solo.
Namely;
1. Start and stop your phrases on off beats ( I can't believe how often I don't do that. So simple and so hip)
2. Go up an arpeggio and down a scale or vice versa
3. Leave space, let the music breathe
4. I loved his use of sixths in bars 23, 24, 30, 31 (why don't i do more of that ?)
5. Just because there is a diminished chord does not mean I need to stuff an entire diminished scale in 2 beats (Less is more)
Please let me know if I accomplished my goal
Frank Vignola Rhythm Changes #1
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Originally Posted by Doublea A
Goal accomplished! I like that approach - putting an etude in an actual musical context!
Beautiful guitar, btw!
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Originally Posted by Doublea A
Nicely done !! It's something I keep meaning to do myself - ie actually use this stuff instead of just learning it...gotta get organised...nice tone as well...
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Frank Vignola Etude # 2 - Video Dailymotion
Etude #2, can't say I enjoyed this one & the video's not great....time to move on.
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The guitar is a D'Angelico EXL. I replaced the original pick up with a Benedetto. That pick up brought this guitar to life. I have had this guitar for about 8 years. I have 4 different pick ups and several different strings. I am now settled on the Benedetto with D'ADDARIO chrome 11's. Originally Posted by TOMMO
Goal accomplished! I like that approach - putting an etude in an actual musical context!
Beautiful guitar, btw!
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Getting Etude #5 up to speed has taken longer than I expected. Still not there but day by day I'm getting closer.
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Third etude....I like this one too, another keeper. I'm planning to spend some time playing these first three with the backing tracks before tackling #4.
I kept on playing after the etude ended but luckily for us all the recorder's memory crashed after about 10 seconds so I faded it out.
Frank Vignola Etude # 3 - Video Dailymotion
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
Are you posting 'em ?
or am I not seeing the links again...damn Java/Flash ****'s...?
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No, I'm not recording them, much less posting them. When I get it up to tempo, I'll record it. Originally Posted by dot75
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Good job, dot75!
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I got a nasty surprise when I got a looper pedal & found some major holes in my playing...I started recording stuff even if it's not there yet just to concentrate my mind... Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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A looper is a great tool, isn't it?
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I played to a backing track but you can't hear it on this video.
This is definitely an "I had to do something" take rather than a, "Gee, this is so good I should share it with the world" take.
Tomorrow is another day.
Love this etude, especially the final 8 bars.
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Another keeper..he does write good melodic lines..I'm resisting the urge to skip ahead. Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
Backing track comes through fine using headphones.
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I'm a fan - got one of these, Originally Posted by TOMMO
A looper is a great tool, isn't it?
Ditto Looper - Intuitive looper made by guitarists for guitarists | TC Electronic
dead simple - doesn't do anything but loop, recommended
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Yes - that's the one I have, too!
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Originally Posted by dot75
One of these days.....
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You sound great Mark !! Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
We want want to hear your playing not the backing tracks.
We hear you loud and clear. Good Work.
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Hello All,
I am planning on starting up a Study Group in May 2017 based on Randy Vincent’s book “The Cellular Approach”. I figured that we could give everybody a month to check out the book and decide whether or not they would like to commit to the group. The book explores cellular improvisation. A cell is a four note group with at least 3 chord tones. It is meant to lead to building improvisations that are melodic and follow the chord changes logically.
The Introduction reads: “This book is a collection of things to practice on the guitar that will help to develop the vocabulary of jazz improvisation while simultaneously developing and maintaining single-note technique. . . . the focus will mainly be on “cellular” improvisation, which is using very short melodic cells strung together into longer lines. Once we get to the place where we are using strings of cells for “outside” and “free” playing we will move beyond the cellular concept and into some other approaches. I have included many lines and phrases transcribed from the recordings of several master guitarists to demonstrate the validity of the concepts behind the exercises given.”
There are 5 chapters in this book: Chapter 1 - Cycles and II-V Sequences (247 examples). Chapter 2 - Turnarounds (163 examples). Chapter 3 - Longer Progressions (192 examples). Chapter 4 Outside and Free Playing (113 examples). Chapter 5 - More Outside Lines - All Purpose Licks including Chromatic Intervals, Serial Tone Rows, and 23rd Chords (99 examples)
I have had this book on my shelf for the past 2 years but I have only played the first 5 pages. Maybe a group will help motivate me and others to incorporate this concept into my own playing.
The book does not come with a CD (at least my book didn’t). I use iRealPro for backing tracks.
- My plan right now is to learn 10 examples a month. Each example is only 2 to four bars long. I have completed the first 12 with minimal effort. I would estimate that this is a 1 to 2 hour commitment per month. We may want to change this depending on the pace maintained by the group once it gets going, plus at that rate it would take us 6 years and 9 months to complete the book.
- Discuss or post your performing of the examples.
- Discuss or post where to play the “Cells” on the neck of the guitar. Even though Randy does give some indication where he would like the cells to be played, as we know they are always alternative fingerings.
- Discuss or post the application of these “cells” into Jazz Standards. I think that this is the most vital part of the exercise. A concept is only a concept until it is made a reality (I just made that up. It is not a famous quote)
- At some point, (maybe at the conclusion) I would combine this with Randy’s other famous book “Line Games” and see how it relates to the playing of great guitarists like Wes Montgomery, Jimmy Raney, Tal Farlow, Pat Martino and Joe Pass
I will be posting this on several threads so I apologize if you seeing this more than once.
Let me know what you think.
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