altered scale areggios

[Sredna]

FatJeff, thanks for the encouraging words.

[Jazzyteach65]

I actually posted this same topic a few months ago with a system I use. I actually got the idea from Dan Hearle, legendary UNT professor in his book "jazz Language." I realized if I took the 13#11 arp a fourth above the root of the melodic minor, or a tritone from the altered "root," you will have all seven notes.

If you practice the arp, and consider/work each triad or arp that comes from each note/tone of the 13#11, you will get 7 applicable arps to mix with the V chord.

Example:

G7=G altered. this arp would be Db7#11, spelled, Db, F, Ab, B, Eb, G and Bb.

each of these tones has a triad you can work with. there are formulaes created when mixing the triads with the V7 chord that give altereations:

G7 + Db triad= G7b5b9
G7 + Eb triad= G7#5#9
G7 + Ab triad=G7b9#5
G7 + Bb minor triad=G7#9b5

all you need to worry about is working the 13#11 dom arp up a tritone from the V chord. so a line could be: d-, Bb minor triad-resolved to Cmajor.

[Claudi]

Originally Posted by Sredna

Sorry gingerjazz, this topic is out of my league. I'm really a noob when it comes to jazz. I've been at it for about a year and progress is slow. I'm proud of my self for not having already quit. I listen almost exclusively to jazz and I attend quite a few jazz concerts and this is (a) the only style I want to play. I hope that I will be able to attend jams and sit in at gigs in about 1-2 years. Jazz is not really designed for instant gratification, it takes a lot of time even to become mediocre. I'm getting a lot of joy out of it however and I believe this is a life long project for me.

Nice playing merceybeat!

The words in red describe me, Sredna. I'm at it for 2 and 1/2 years, quit for almost 1 year but came back. I sound mediocre when it comes to chord improv. The thinking makes it so slow. This past month I realized about some things refering to chord improv and asking in the forum have learned so many new things that it makes it difficult to think of all the possibilities when I'm on the guitar. My consolation is that now, at least, I can understand every explanation given in every thread when someone asks about chords and the possibilities to improvise over it/them.
Life long project. Yes, it is.

[Claudi]

By the way, Eddie; your music is very nice.

[merseybeat]

Thanks Claudi much appreciated!
One of the main things I did when starting to play was learn how to milk that V7alt chord for all its worth! So I would just jam over a simple ii V I progression at a workable tempo! I would do this for hours! IMHO its not productive to even attempt songs with "complex changes" until you are comfortable with a Simple ii V I and a ii V i (This will come in time).
I had Autumn leaves on a loop. I would practice in G for hours on end! Then the next day I would practice it in C (giving a whole new position).
Once I was comfortable I moved to "Blue Bossa" with its Down a 5th change! Then I moved on to non resolving ii V progressions! Now I am tackiling the more complex material!
What I am saying is to take things very slowly, I have fun playing which to me is the most important goal!
If you have two guitarists trading over a simple ii V I progression its the most amazing buzz to slip those altered ideas in! I learnt loads this way!

Eddie

PS I study theory seperate! Usually at the pool with an ice cold beer and no guitar!

[drobniuch]

PS I study theory seperate! Usually at the pool with an ice cold beer and no guitar!

If Mark Levine has right that jazz is 99% theory and 1% magic, You are probably stack in that pool and always drunk..

...just kidding ;D

good point about II-V-I

[merseybeat]

I'll drink to that mate!