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Originally Posted by Robertkoa
As it seems that martino is not a pure alternate player after all (something he shares with benson and pass) I might hazard a guess that he may be using rest strokes to some extent. This allows the player to use gravity to propel the downstrokes without fear of hitting a wrong string.
Any up strokes can come from a flick of the wrist, or a bounce when you get up to tempo. This is the way I teach it anyway...
I find this is a very easy energy conserving way to play the guitar. You only use muscle power 50% of the time, and only use it to prepare the stroke. At no point do you need to 'make' the sound project.
It's early days yet, but I suspect benson picking has similar characteristics...
I'll need to watch pats right hand carefully. This may well not be what he's doing...
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12-17-2015 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by christianm77
So I don't want to say one way or another- there are I think some people on here who have seen these Guys up close or even had a few Lessons with them.
However - if you watch Videos of Al Dimeola ...one of the early speedier guys in the Fusion Movement he is picking hard much as the Gypsys and no downstrokes but he can't alternate pick across the strings as I do- which is a disadvantage of burying the pick too low below the Plane of the Strings...
Benson cuts the strings with the "Reverse Angle" pick thing as does
Eric Gales and as with myself with Advanced Alternate Picking "Rest Strokes" are not necessary to hit the strings hard and fast and accurately.
One advantage of Benson Picking and my more " conventional" Picking is Upstrokes and Downstrokes sound the same...and the reason I call mine "Advanced" is - no need to use " economy" or "sweep" to go across strings rhythmically or at high speeds.
I imagine that the "sweepers" can do things I can't and vice versa.
When I have some Music/Product to sell in 2016 - maybe we can do some sweepers economy pickers complicated picking scheme Guys ( even Famous Ones ) versus my Advanced Alternate Picking- and see who wins... not just speed- speed and Rhythmic Accuracy- to my ears Benson is almost unparalleled for Rhythmic Precision in his Picking .
Not used to Playing Solos for 16 or 32 Bars - I had to put more muscle onto my Forearms ( from Practice) since I started "swinging" and soloing for much longer than typical Rock or Pop Solos- I am NOT using Gravity- wish I could.Last edited by Robertkoa; 12-17-2015 at 08:04 PM.
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Originally Posted by Robertkoa
In any case pat it seem is using his wrist afiak, which is similar to how I pick when I am using trad grip and I worried about muting (ie electric playing) in my case when I do the my wrist is very much anchored...
Incidentally from my preliminary and no doubt rather flawed explorations of benson picking, up strokes do seem more natural than in trad grip rest stroke picking. I like the evenness for electric playing although this is totally available with anchored wrist alternate picking. Acoustic projection seems weaker than with trad rest stroke picking though this may be due to my incomplete grasp of the technique..Last edited by christianm77; 12-17-2015 at 07:35 PM.
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Edit - it's probably good for cross picking...
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Originally Posted by Vladan
1999-2000 but that was an R&B Project for a Singer...no Guitar at all.
I was never good enough before as a Soloist to do a legit CD as an Instrumentalist. I have not had these chops since recently
So I will have to put a Composition Rig together ...program the Beats ,Basslines etc.
This will be Urban Jazz...or Harmonically Expanded R&B.
I can't play Standards nearly as well as The Master Jazzers- ( except Rhythm Changes- Georgia- That's Life or the Bluesier Standards - my new Chops fit Jazz very well - but that was not what I set out to do originally and not why I am here- I am here to increase my Musical Vocabulary .
It's weird in a good way because sometimes I think of crazy stuff while I am playing and actually can do it and when you play what's in your mind it usually fits the Changes....
Even writing and recording a 60 Second Jingle takes some Work.
And getting some new Expanded R&B Grooves with Expanded Guitar Voicings
with Guitar Melodies will be a lot of work...
It's far too late in the Game to make even a small dent in the Music World with Chops alone...but I put in many many many thousands of hours and even prayed and they finally let me have chops ...weird but true.
I just heard a Gypsy Picker saying if you use another Technique for Gypsy Swing like Alternate Picking -it's fine ...lol.
Now I see why you Guys are confused- he is acting like it's something different that they are doing.
It is mostly alternate picking - if I pick super hard and fast and Vibrato it sounds just like that...
Except I don't know the Changes - very Old Fashioned sounding...like Ragtime maybe with those diminished passing chords and very scalar runs occasional arpeggios-
I appreciate the Technique and Humor - don't like the lack of Rhythmic variety too much TBH.Last edited by Robertkoa; 12-27-2015 at 05:47 PM.
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Originally Posted by MatsP
Dunlop Tortex ( often heavier gauges on all picks "slide off" the string more but experiment depends on your hands, technique)
Dunlop Gator Grip
Planet Waves Duralin- a hair stiffer than Tortex a hair more articulate IMO.
Planet Waves- Duragrip Duralin with a Super Grippy Raised Grid at Thumb Grip- might be a great pick for many ...
And sometimes as they wear a little 320 Sandpaper to smooth the sharp ridges back to round.
It's really hard to know what you mean by 45 degree angle..
If you see a Guy or a Teacher who uses a similar right hand position to you but can Pick like a Mfer - that's worth paying for some up close lessons maybe-
And I imagine looking at those Grady Videos could help.
Another thing is you should probably listen
for the optimum angle for your picking style body mechanics etc. rather than use some arbitrary Angle.
You want to tremelo pick ; Alternate on one Note get upstrokes and downstrokes to sound very nearly the same slow it down speed it up etc. then work the fret hand into it.Last edited by Robertkoa; 12-27-2015 at 03:30 AM.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Steve Morse alternates on Arpeggios- I don't know of he does triplets and sextuplets across three strings...
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Originally Posted by ChuckCorbis
I have tried the pointy version of the Tortex ones, and it's equally noisy to my ears. Both the pointy and the "Fender" style one are noisy with roundwounds.
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It depends what I'm doing. Fingerpicking? 99% of the time, floating. Flatpicking? I put the base of my palm lightly on the bridge. I never anchor with my pinky.
Originally Posted by GuyBoden
Originally Posted by MatsPLast edited by Thumpalumpacus; 09-07-2016 at 05:46 AM.
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I wonder if muting isn't less of a big deal than people think. One surprise is how much string ring Adam Rogers gets when he is playing at practice levels in his music masterclass vid.
It doesn't seem to be an issue when he plays live, often with drive.
I wonder if he mutes a bit when playing with distortion but does t bother when clean.
I might add that it does bother me, but not when I play acoustic.
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From what I can see Martino is resting the heel of his right hand lightly on the guitar. He is not floating.
He also has a flying pinkie.
Just goes to show these things don't really seem to matter.
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I think its a little bit prematurely to say that floating technique is the best.
There are so many great players who anchored their hand or resting the whole wrist on the bridge.
The anchored wrist has some advantage like more control and safety. But the most advantage is to kill noises like ringing bass strings.
So i think restring wrist on lower strings or bridge is a good way to avoid noises and get a clean technique. Thats also a reason why so much metal guitar Player are playing in this way.
On the other hand the floating technique give you more fluently in playing when you change between strumming and Solo Lines. But i wouldn't sign that there is a big different in loudness. Andreas Öberg use resting Wrist on the bridge and his Restroke-Picking is really loud. My person technique is similar like Öbergs and i have no problem to make a really loud reststroke if i want.
So i think there is no better or not better. Both techniques are used by so many great players.
Has anyone played or had a Supro Amulet ?
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