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01-11-2012, 08:56 PM
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| | gigging guitar question Though i'm very new to jazz, and one of my friends has suggested that if i were to learn some standards, he might be able to get me some gigs as a rhythm guitarist. But I don't have a traditional jazz guitar. And I'm wondering how you, as a bandleader, would react to some new guy bringing a blueburst Ric 330 or PRS Goldtop to a gig. I realize they're unconventional. And I'm sure that if I played "well enough" that it wouldn't be a problem. But would you be skeptical from the start? If I got the gig, would you expect me to "buy a real guitar"? Or do people just not care as long as it sounds good.
I ask this because rock guitarists are very opinionated about what I play, and I get a lot of "that was great, but you'd sound really awesome on a Strat/LP/Tele/etc." I'm wondering if jazz guitarists, especially bandleaders, are the same way.
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01-11-2012, 10:32 PM
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| | Like the rock guys you mention, jazz guys get very specific about the proper jazz guitar and often look more favorably on the archtop. Archtops just look the part, and are sonically more up to the job IMHO. Some will disagree I'm sure.
With that said however, it would seem to me that the Rickenbacker 330 would be looked upon okay at a jazz gig. I've never played one, but it's similar in overall size and appearance to a 335-style semi hollow archtop which is used pretty commonly in jazz these days. Just give it the right strings and adjustments and it should be able to do jazz rhythm fine.
No sense in buying another instrument just for a job unless you were going to do a lot of them.
That's just my 2 cents. | 
01-11-2012, 11:16 PM
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| | This should give some idea what it would look and sound like... Rickenbacker 330 - Chega de Saudade - YouTube
Although this guy (great player, but...) uses a bit too much vibrato and needs to roll off more treble for a more traditional jazz sound. | 
01-11-2012, 11:36 PM
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| | This guy can't play and he just looks like a fool. Your guitar is what makes you believable. Red electric? Give me a break!
David
A REAL guitar player Look at that Byrdland! REAL Gibson!:
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01-12-2012, 02:08 AM
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| | Oh my god, would someone please that that Byrdland away from that... Man (or whatever it is)! Lol.
TH,
Point well taken, and I agree to an extent, but as much as I dig the masterful playing of Lorne, I can't get past the brittle glassy sounds that solidbody guitar is making. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.
This is more how I hear Gone With The Wind... Wes Montgomery / Gone With The Wind - YouTube | 
01-12-2012, 02:12 AM
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| | Nice finds, TH... I'm crackin' up over here!  I say play the guitar you have & see how it works for you. It's not the usual choice but listen to it first in context and decide for yourself. Quote:
Originally Posted by Retroman1969 Oh my god, would someone please that that Byrdland away from that... Man (or whatever it is)! Lol. | And while you're at it, get the microphone away from him too!
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01-12-2012, 06:58 AM
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| | Would any bandleader other than a guitarist notice...?
Having said that, I've come across superb professional guitarists who are barely interested in gear and didn't know the model number of the guitar they had or what type of bridge they had.
I can imagine a situation where if you were, say, playing a classy function-type gig or a prestigious concert playing standards and wearing tuxedos where the bandleader might reasonably ask for an appropriate looking "jazz" guitar but I'd be surprised if anyone other than the guitar geeks noticed in most situations.
good luck with your jazz gigs!
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01-12-2012, 07:20 AM
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| | Personally, I think the PRS would look better than the Ric, because from what I've seen, color and shape, in that order, have more to do with your perception than anything else about the guitar, at least to a non-guitar player. The gold might be bright, but it will blend better with horns.
Most colors that aren't natural finishes (or close to them), black, or some kind of sunburst tend to get looks from jazz guys. Once you've established yourself with a bandleader, then you might be able to pull out your Ric. | 
01-12-2012, 07:34 AM
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| | Play well and sound good, and no one will care. | 
01-12-2012, 07:54 AM
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| | Quote:
Originally Posted by zigzag Play well and sound good, and no one will care. | +1.
A Gold Top PRS makes me think of Les Paul, nothing wrong with that.
A change of strings and pick may be all you need in addition to talent. | 
01-12-2012, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ESCC A change of strings and pick may be all you need in addition to talent. | the Ric has roundwound 11s on it. a change from Dunlop Ultex back to Tortex to temper the highs would probably do the trick.
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