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#1
10-30-2011, 06:25 PM
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 suggestions for a 17", 25 3/4" scale jazzbox I'm looking for a L-5 type guitar under 1000 $. the only one I found on the market are the epiphone broadway and the emperor regent. are them good guitar? does anyone have some suggestion? and maybe some mp3 or videos...     |
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#4
10-30-2011, 08:39 PM
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I liked when the small children ran into the scene, but everyone kept on playing as though nothing had happened. You guys are real pros! |
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#5
10-31-2011, 03:46 AM
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they are my two little children. and we are absolutely not pros! that was just a jam we often do in the countryside: my children are used to hit drums or my guitar strings while we are playing or throw the ball against my amp, so, no matter for that, we go on playing... anyway, many thanks for the appreciation: it was a wes style besame mucho with a 80's gibson es 175D (strung with 011 fender pure nickel roundwound) directly into a fender twin reverb (80W tube amp). yes, I already own a nice guitar; I'm just curious about an L-5 style guitar (long scale and 17" body). @sambooka - that ARIA looks amazing! |
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#7
10-31-2011, 05:47 AM
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| I want to correct a minor point -- and it is something that probably everyone participating in this thread already understands -- but that uncorrected has led to some confusion and poorly informed buying decisions. (Why do I do this? Because I'm an asshole and an insomniac, and because there is nothing to watch on TV and I'll wake my wife up if I practice guitar. And then she will hit me.) The Aria FA 7x line are NOT "L5 style guitars." Nor are similar guitars with 17 inch bodies and 25 1/2 inch scales from Samick, Washburn, etc., etc etc. These are, in fact "ES-350 style guitars." Why the distinction? The L5, L5C and L5CES are carved, all solid wood guitars. The ES-350 (which morphed into the Tal Farlow signature model) is a plywood guitar, as is the Aria FA 71. Manufacturers and resellers often try to link these guitars to the L5 line in an attempt to capture a bit of "L5 mojo." Unfortunately this also creates an idea that these laminate guitars are "fake L5s" and inferior because they aren't constructed of solid carved wood like the "real" guitar is. The ES-350 was not a "fake L5." Some "iconic" jazzers considered the ES-350 superior to the L5CES as an electric guitar for jazz. Obviously Barney Kessel and Tal Farlow did. And I suspect, had the ES-350 captured the imagination of the guitar playing/buying public to the degree the much more promoted L5CES did, and that it had become a guitar hanging in a thousand pawn shops like the L5 was, Wes Montgomery would likely be known today as an ES-350 player. Recognizing these 17 inch Asian guitars for what they really are -- ES-350 clones rather than "fake" L5's -- helps put them in proper perspective and helps guide purchase decisions. Superior/inferior is somewhat subjective, but realizing that by subjective criteria the ES-350 can be argued as superior to the L5CES the buyer is not as influenced by the notion that an Aria FA 7x (or similar) is inherently a lesser guitar due to its type of construction. All that said, if a player already owns an ES-175 and does not find the short 24 3/4 inch scale restricting in any way, then probably the ES-350 or a clone won't offer much if anything in terms of improvement. There is a reason the ES-175 became one of two de facto standard jazz guitars, and it wasn't just a matter of price. In my case, partly because of my hand size, partly because of an arthritis-like condition, and partly because I switch back and forth between the guitar and the double bass, the longer scale is a definite aid, and the longer scale guitar is better for me. But I don't think you can make the case that it sounds better if the same attention to detail in pickup type and/or upgrades, strings, etc., is applied to either the ES-175/clones or the ES-350/clones. This concludes this morning's rant. Discuss among yourselves.  |
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#8
10-31-2011, 06:12 AM
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| I do believe the aria has a solid top though...making it tougher to categorize. |
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10-31-2011, 06:37 AM
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You may be remembering the occasional use of "Select" spruce by resellers -- which is a common weasel word meaning, "plywood with a spruce veneer finish layer." I could be wrong, and if I am, I promise to bite and tear at myself like a dog with rabies...but I don't think I am. |
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10-31-2011, 06:53 AM
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| AH, I'm thinking of the FA-77, which has a solid top. I knew Aria had a solid top in their lineup. |
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10-31-2011, 06:57 AM
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See, I didn't even know Aria built a guitar called the FA 77! |
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#13
10-31-2011, 07:06 AM
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... no worries.. I never read more than 3 lines of any post anyway.
__________________ Volume IS tone. |
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10-31-2011, 12:11 PM
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10-31-2011, 12:28 PM
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There is also the Douglas WNO 630. However, it has a shorter scale. |
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#17
10-31-2011, 01:25 PM
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| What about Peerless? According to their specs, all solid woods, prices are rather contained...not sure though about scale length. Intro - Peerless Guitars Europe |
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10-31-2011, 01:46 PM
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Ivor Mairants seems to have some specially made Peerless. As Gianluca lives in Europe, this link may interest him: Archtops - Jazz Guitars - Guitar & Bass |
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10-31-2011, 02:04 PM
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11-01-2011, 04:03 AM
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I also own a greg bennett JZ1: it is a 17" but 24 3/4" scale. great guitar and great neck. I changed the original neck pickup with a gibson classic 57 and the the tone has improved. But too similar to my 175. I'm going to trade it for a 25 1/2 " scale in a similar price range. of course I'will keep the gibson pickup... |
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#22
11-01-2011, 05:45 AM
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The primary difference between the original Gibson ES-175 and the longer scale, larger bodied Gibson ES-350 was one of comfort and "feel" more than sound. So if you want a different sound, I would suggest keeping the Samick you have and switching the neck pickup from the Classic 57 to something like a single coil "Charlie Christian." Here's an example that drops into a humbucker rout on an archtop: Charlie Christian for Humbucker Route This would not represent such a radical change in sound that most people couldn't or wouldn't "dial out" all the difference between it and a Classic 57 on their amp -- it's usually difficult to tell by sound alone whether a jazzer is playing a guitar with a single coil or a humbucker. But if you WANT a different sound than you get with your ES-175, switching to this sort of pickup would give you MORE capability to get it. Set both guitars full treble and the amplifier tone controls flat and compare the Classic 57 and a Charlie Christian -- you will hear a significant difference. Moreover, I believe you will find the single coil "feels more responsive." In any event, I think you'll find this offers significantly more sonic difference than merely varying scale length with the same Classic 57 humbucker. There are other Charlie Christian style pickups and other types of single coils that will drop into humbucker routs. I offered this particular example simply as one I am most familiar with... Last edited by cjm : 11-01-2011 at 05:51 AM. |
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11-01-2011, 07:10 AM
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The150 has a much stronger bass/lowermid response than the 125. the treble strings are a little richter too but that is more due to the longer scale length. That said, I am not a fan of the 17 inch ES150. Plugged in it tends to be a bit to wooly and undefined in the low end. I do prefer the feel and the fullness it brings to the treble strings but overall I find the balance better on the 16in - 24 3/4 models. Three lines are up.
__________________ Volume IS tone. |
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11-01-2011, 10:38 AM
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Regarding Samick, I own a Gregg Benett JZ4, a sort of L5 clone if you will, with a Bartolini floater and the scale is 25 1/2". This, or with the stock floating pick up (Seymour Duncan Design) should bring a very different tone to a ES175 +Classic 57. Last edited by mambosun : 11-01-2011 at 10:44 AM. |
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#27
11-02-2011, 08:05 AM
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| I have both an Emperor Regent ('07), a Broadway ('10), and a D'Angelico EXL-1 ('07). I think they are all fine guitars, with the D'Angelico slightly ahead of the other two. BUT I find myself using the Broadway as my "go to" axe more and more. I have a brother who is has been a professional for over 40 years,and has a number of very high end guitars (not archtops). He's a total snob about guitars, and just won't stoop to playing anything "cheap" (like my Samick HF-650). But he was won over by the Regent and especially the D'Angelico (he hasn't had a chance to check out my Broadway yet). He could not believe they were not multi-thousand dollar guitars, just raved about both of them. I am a lover and conniosseur of inexpensive guitars, and take pride in my collection of less expensive archtops. If I collected high-priced axes, well, the "collection" would have to be pretty small, like ONE. Quote:
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