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12-19-2011, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Patrick2  I don't think it's stupid at all. Stupid is a pretty harsh word. I also think, based upon your comments about fusion guys like Gambale and Holdsworth, I might have misinterpretted your sentiment. Now, I think I understand your sentiment a little better. I thought you were just commenting on some of the players who were not able to get the "to die for" standard jazz tone . . . and that you couldn't listen to great jazz players with a mediocre jazz tone.
Now I understand you better . . . and to a certain extent, I do agree with you. For example . . . I once told a true story here in this forum about opening the window on the passenger side of my SUV . . . then ejecting the Pat Martino, Wes Montgomery Tribute CD out of the player and flinging it frisbee style out the window and into the trees on the side of the road while driving at 75. (don't worry, there was no one in the passenger seat and no cars to the right of mine) Pat's playing was good . . but the mix on the recording was so muddy and bassy I hated it. Similarly, when an artist is GOING for a certain sound, and it's not to my liking, I am less likely to be tolerant of it. Example; John Scofield. Sco can play realy well. But, he loves his edginess and his slight flange in his amp setting. I hate it!! But, I can listen to it for a while. What does NOT bother me, is hearing great standard jazz or bebop jazz lines, chords . . whatever, from a good player who just hasn't achieved that level of "tone excellence" what ever that is.
I know that might sound like a sentiment in conflict with itself . . . but, It's not. | Yes, I agree - sometimes there are guitars players that have a "just fine" tone and great content - I know some cases here and I really dig those players. Some players have a tone I really can't stand hearing even if they have a lot of good solos... Exactly as you said 
PS - I wasn't worried about your car story - after several years of Lisbon traffic and one year of Brazilian traffic nothing can surprise me anymore (and that was a terrible tone by Pat - he had such a clear bright beautiful tone on "El Hombre"...)  |
12-19-2011, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jorgemg1984 I would be happy to hear you in Lisbon at a fair price if you had good tone and good content - I am sure someone will book you and meet all those requirements if you are that good (man all those fancy requirements and then an Henriksen? Really?). | Well, I never said I was any good, but I should get a nice tone with that outfit and I could play the Alley Cat Song for several hours each evening.
But, just to be clear, you're withdrawing the offer?  |
12-19-2011, 04:47 PM
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If you're just talking about archtop and Henriksen I doubt you would get a good tone without speaker replacement and decent reverb pedal. And I don't believe you will get a good sound by having good gear. Gear makes your sound BETTER not GOOD - I would have to know you had a good tone and good solos in the first place.
And you rather give you a good tube amp or my jazzmaster ultralight instead of the Henriksen |
12-19-2011, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jorgemg1984 I would have to know you had a good tone and good solos in the first place. | I play the Alley Cat Song pretty much straight. |
12-19-2011, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cjm Okay, the logical conclusion then becomes you would be just as happy to hear me play a Benedetto through a Henricksen amp as you would be to hear the reincarnation of Joe Pass playing a Fender Esquire through a Peavey with a nasty buzz.
That being the case, I am happy to accept your offer to perform in Portugal for one week at $10,000.00 U.S. per day, plus air fare, hotel, meal, and local transportation expense, a new Benedetto that I will keep, and the use of a Henricksen amp for the week.
And I like single malt Scotch and Belgian chocolates and there better be both in my hotel room.
Plus, my wife is coming with me. | I was thinking that this was a pretty good deal. . . up until the Belgian chocolate demand. Yeah . . . right!! And I suppose you'd want dark chocolate too???? I'd say that's a deal breaker. I'd agree to Hershey's semi sweet . . . but, that's about as extravagant as I'd allow . . . and only in consideration of your wife being with you . . . otherwise, it would be only Nestles milk chocolate.
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12-19-2011, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Patrick2 I was thinking that this was a pretty good deal. . . up until the Belgian chocolate demand. Yeah . . . right!! And I suppose you'd want dark chocolate too???? I'd say that's a deal breaker. I'd agree to Hershey's semi sweet . . . but, that's about as extravagant as I'd allow . . . and only in consideration of your wife being with you . . . otherwise, it would be only Nestles milk chocolate. | No Belgian chocolate...no Alley Cat Song. |
12-20-2011, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
And you rather give you a good tube amp or my jazzmaster ultralight instead of the Henriksen | Is the jazzmaster ultralight so much better than the Henriksen? |
12-20-2011, 09:25 AM
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It's very subjective... to me it is but I bet most people here would feel the opposite. In fact I just sold the Henriksen and bought a 2x12 to use with the jazzmaster ultralight, to me it's in a whole other league. But I would never advise you to do the same, if you can compare both. I did it and there was no doubt... |
12-20-2011, 09:37 AM
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Which 2x12 did you buy? |
12-20-2011, 10:01 AM
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I found a good deal on a 2x12 Dr Z Open back unloaded cab and I had a spare Jensen Tornado. Got another one, I am doing the breaking-in in the new speaker and I am waiting for my tech to give my jazzmaster ultralight head back - it was making a little noise. I tried briefly on his house and liked it a lot. Used my Fender M80 as a head and also liked it, I just wish the low end was a little more clear on those speakers...
Regarding JMUL vs Henriksen I think the JMUL as a combo (with the stock cabinet) is way ighter, louder and much more versatile - the EQ is powerfull and can go from the Henriksen / Polytone vibe to the Fender tube vibe. Also has nice reverbs, line out with speaker emulation and level control, nice OD and phones out... But the most important thing to me is that I felt I could have much more EQ control with the JMUL three buttons than with the six on the Henriksen and the JMUL is much more guitarristic - it feels and sounds like a regular tube amp, the Henriksen is like playing trough a good PA voiced for guitar.
The Henriksen with an EV, controls flat (to use an EQ pedal) and good pedals (Delay, Reverb) was nice indeed but too expensive. And I also found the Henriksen a littlen unbalanced - it was tough to have all the strings balances across all frets and this doesn't happen with all my other amps. | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes |  Linear Mode | 
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