anyone identify this guitar???

whosgarethparry · #1 08-04-2011, 06:59 AM

hey guys,
anyone know wjhat this guitar is, no idea, probs really obvious, but never seen one.

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ta very much

Bill C · #2 08-04-2011, 07:13 AM

Gibson Barney Kessel?

hot ford coupe · #3 08-04-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill C

Gibson Barney Kessel?

That's what it looks like to me but it's definitely not the DeLuxe. I don't remember if the Standard had the double // 'ogram inlays but custom features were not uncommon back then.

edit. I just did some searching and the BK standard did have the //ogram inlays. It looks like one from the late 60's

BigMikeinNJ · #4 08-04-2011, 08:05 AM

Could very easily be a Japanese copy: an Ibanez or any number of other "brands" cranked out in the 70s in Japanese factories. Most are set neck and really pretty good. Subway Guitars in Beserkeley had one I almost bought - Fatdog let me play it to my heart's content. Like a lot of the 70s copies they get the body shape and 80-90% of the cosmetic details right. They usually have pretty fast easy necks to play. I could never get used to those sharp pointy horns, looked like a fella could stab himself pretty easy on one of those. LOL

whosgarethparry · #5 08-04-2011, 08:32 AM

cheers guys, knew you'd all know.
now then, who has one for sale????

SamBooka · #6 08-04-2011, 08:47 AM

guessing you want to order from the UK?

Saw one on Kijiji here a couple of weeks back.. Think he wanted 2800$ for it.

whosgarethparry · #7 08-04-2011, 08:59 AM

as of next week i'm a canadian resident so i'm not sure how import taxes would work. . . . .is 2800 about the going rate for a kesell? i'm guessing they're pretty rare??

fws6 · #8 08-04-2011, 01:46 PM

Take care as a lot of these mid 60s Gibsons have awfully small nut width. If you're on a budget this could make a sweet deal ? Vintage 1964 Gibson Barney Kessel PROJECT : Flamey L@@K | eBay

TruthHertz · #9 08-04-2011, 02:30 PM

Gibson Barney Kessel. The Parallelogram soundholes were the Trini Lopez. Those had a firebird type headstock.
Yeah lots of Asian knockoffs too.
David

JohnW400 · #10 08-04-2011, 03:03 PM

I don't know why they're so expensive (other than the ones with the PAF pick ups)

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TruthHertz · #11 08-04-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnW400

I don't know why they're so expensive (other than the ones with the PAF pick ups)

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Deep question.

If you tally up the cost of materials, it's about the same as a guitar you can get for a couple of hundred. If you tally up the labor, it's maybe less than what you'd pay for a moderate Asian guitar. It's expensive because somebody took a guess at what somebody would pay for it. Somebody did pay for it and the value was locked in.

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Almost as valuable is its ability to spark a debate that doesn't settle anything.
Vintage market is truly a strange look at what's valuable.
David

JohnW400 · #12 08-04-2011, 03:58 PM

Yeah, that vintage market. If only I kept everything I ever owned until now I could have made a killing

I've sold some stuff that I regret only because I see what I could get for that stuff today. My biggest losers were selling a 1989 sunburst Byrdland that I paid about $2300 new for. Now it would be vintage and twice that price.

The worst I think was when I "returned a favor" to a friend and sold my Les Paul Recording model to Lou Pallo (Les' rhythm player) for $300 back in 1992 or so. I see it selling for $2000-2500 these days. Who knew?

TruthHertz · #13 08-04-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnW400

Yeah, that vintage market. If only I kept everything I ever owned until now I could have made a killing

Ha! I should start a new thread about the most regrettable losses... just to dredge up everyone's worst nightmares... not only the ones that got away but the ones that were given away that could buy you a new house new. I have stories but it makes me cry to think of them heh.
David

Dennis D · #14 08-04-2011, 06:44 PM

Sorry but I have a hard time with that reasoning. If that's true, then each and every Stradivarius ever made is no better than any other violin, because the materials used in every one were comparable and equally availabe to all the luthiers. And if that's true, for the past two hundred plus years, every Stradivarius that has ever changed hands always somehow found a buyer who's both an idiot, and one with a million plus dollars to spend foolishly.
Sorry, but there are differences, and people are willing to pay for them. Maybe our time is better spent talking to the folks who spend the money, and learn why they bought the ones they did, and didn't always buy the cheapie.
MHO Dennis

TruthHertz · #15 08-04-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis D

Sorry but I have a hard time with that reasoning. If that's true, then each and every Stradivarius ever made is no better than any other violin, because the materials used in every one were comparable and equally availabe to all the luthiers. And if that's true, for the past two hundred plus years, every Stradivarius that has ever changed hands always somehow found a buyer who's both an idiot, and one with a million plus dollars to spend foolishly.
Sorry, but there are differences, and people are willing to pay for them. Maybe our time is better spent talking to the folks who spend the money, and learn why they bought the ones they did, and didn't always buy the cheapie.
MHO Dennis

Let's just say there are those instruments who's workmanship warrants the larger amount of money you must spend. There are those that don't but have a value that is unrealistically inflated. In terms of wood and materials alone, the price difference is not hundreds of thousands of dollars. Let's just say that I've seen a Johnny Smith on 48th street in the 70's go for $800 dollars, and after the Japanese collector era that same guitar may go for 10 times as much. Is it the same guitar? Was it worth less in the 70's? Is it really worth that much more now because we accept that? Has the price of living risen proportionately? Do we attribute value to our guitars based on market value? Do you play better on a Johnny Smith now because it's worth ten times as much? Did Stadavarius have any idea what his instruments were worth when he built them? Did he think they were worth a price tag that could buy half of Cremona? Did the early performers on his instruments play on a violin that's worth less than that violin now? Did they have a lesser violin because of that?
I knew when I posted that statement that it would be a lightning rod for those that say "of course this tele is worth $22,000. The fact that you don't see it just proves you don't know diddly squat."
I know there are differences. Of course I recognize that. I'm a luthier. I can appreciate an exceptional instrument. As a luthier too, I've seen many a fine instrument that I deem to be vastly superior to a mediocre L-5 yet the Gibson will always demand much more. But if you own that L-5, then I declare myself put right at this point. It IS worth more than the custom gem, and I'll just be grateful for my guitar and my ignorance that allows me to have it at all.
By the way, there are Stradavarius violins that were NOT great instruments. He was a good builder, great, but he made instruments that were inferior to Vuillaumes, Guanaris, Amadis, and others but it's the belief that he was a violin God that lets people pay and not question a multi-million price tag merely on the acceptance that they are purchasing, not a violin, but an offering of a God.
I have a friend who's an art archivist. She's handled the receipt for a Matisse mural. It's real, I can assure you. It was for $1000 when Matisse sold it to its present owner. Explain the mechanism that channels one painter to become Southeby's material and another to be used to line the bottom of a shelf in Paris.
I'm just saying that pricing vintage instruments is a mysterious thing, and I don't understand or accept that logic. If it all makes sense to you, you are much smarter than me.
David

wildirishman52 · #16 08-04-2011, 07:20 PM

A guitar is only worth what the purchaser is willing to pay!

TruthHertz · #17 08-04-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wildirishman52

A guitar is only worth what the purchaser is willing to pay!

Tell that to a bargain hunter!

David

Jake Hanlon · #18 08-04-2011, 08:07 PM

i've bought several guitars from the states and never had to pay anything other then shipping... mostly because most people list them on the customs form as something ambiguous and thus they don't care and let it slide through. Either way if you're a student or professional you can just claim that extra expense on your taxes no doubt and get it back eventually.