Modes to other scales?

[bobsguitars09]

My last question for a while. I have lots to work on from all the pointers I have got here Thanks everyone!

ok so

Take a natural minor scale and raise the seventh a half step and you get a harmonic minor scale. I understand this.

What and how do we do this with the other six modes? for lydian, would you flat the three, four and six a half step? is this a good way to look at it?

[brwnhornet59]

Take that one altered note and apply it to each mode in a diatonic scale.

If it is A natural minor, the 6th of C, you would apply the G# in every mode of C

IMO, you would be better off looking at the harmonic minor scale as its own entity. Treat the minor Major 7th, the first chord built from HM as the parent key. Take the notes and build each mode then the chords to the 13th. See what makes each chord unique and the sounds that it produces. Do the same thing with melodic minor. Good luck!

[ten left thumbs]

Does anyone use modes of the harmonic minor?

Certainly people use modes of the melodic minor.

[brwnhornet59]

They sure do. It was a mode of choice for some by the late 50's early 60's. I use Phrygian Dom still. I also dig the Dim scale it creates.

MM is the scale I use most, between the two.

[gersdal]

This is one set of names for the modes of other MM and HM. There are other names as well

Melodic minor: 1-2-b3-4-5-6-7-8

C Cm maj7 (9th, 11th, 13th) C-D-Eb-F-G-A-B-C C melodic minor

D Dm7 (b9th, 11th, 13th) D-Eb-F-G-A-B-C-D Dorian b2

Eb Eb+5 maj7 (9th, #11th, 13th) Eb-F-G-A-B-C-D-Eb Lydian Augmented

F F7 (b9th, #11th, 13th) F-G-A-B- C-D-Eb-F Lydian b7

G G7 (9th, 11th, b13th) G-A-B- C-D-Eb-F-G Mixolydian b6

A Am7-5 (9th, 11th, b13th) A-B- C-D-Eb- F-G-A Locrian nat2

B Bm7-5(b9th,b/#11th,b13th) B- C-D-Eb- F-G-A-B Superlocrian, Altered


Harmonic minor: 1-2-b3-4-5-b6-7-8

C Cm maj7 (9th, 11th, b13th) C-D-Eb-F-G-Ab-B-C C harmonic minor

D Dm7-5 (b9th, 11th, 13th) D-Eb-F-G-Ab-B-C-D Locrian Nat 6

Eb Eb+5 maj7 (9th, 11th, 13th) Eb-F-G-Ab-B-C-D-Eb Ionian #5

F Fm7 (9th, #11th, 13th) F-G-Ab-B- C-D-Eb-F Dorian #4

G G7 (b9th, 11th, b13th) G-Ab-B- C-D-Eb-F-G Phrygian Nat3

Ab Ab maj7 (#9th,# 11th, 13th) Ab-B- C-D-Eb- F-G-Ab Lydian #2

B B dim (b9th, b11th, b13th) B- C-D-Eb- F-G-Ab-B Altered bb7

[bobsguitars09]

thanks everyone!

what do you do you to alter lets sat Locrian to harmonic minor?

[aniss1001]

Originally Posted by bobsguitars09

what do you do you to alter lets sat Locrian to harmonic minor?

It seems to me that you have misunterstood something. You don't alter locrian to HM?! As you said the HM is formed by altering the 7th of the pure minor scale. The modes of the harmonic minor are formed from the HM the same way as the church modes are formed from the major scale..

Major scale:
1st mode: C Ionian: C D E F G A B
2nd mode: D Dorian: D E F G A B C
3rd mode: E Phrygan: E F G A B C D ..etc..

HM:
1st mode: A B C D E F G#
2nd mode: B C D E F G# A
3rd mode: C D E F G# A B ..etc..

(note that neither the HM nor the MM has standardized names like the church modes and the more used modes have lots of different names)

[bako]

If for whatever reason you want to think about modes/scales comparatively then simply write them out alongside each other and make note of the differences.

I would suggest comparing modes based on a common major, minor or dominant function.

Ex. C Major function (drawing from major, melodic minor, harmonic minor and harmonic major scales)

C D E F G A B C
C D E F# G A B C
C D# E F# G A B C
C D E F G Ab B C

possibly related Ma7+ modes

C D E F# G# A B C
C D E F G# A B C
C D# E F# G# A B C