How to practice Arpeggios with 9's 11's 13's?

[bobsguitars09]

I uploaded a pic. when practicing a major 9 arpeggio for example. do you play the "2" also? or no? same with 11, 13 and all of that.

the reason I ask is I have seen a few methods where they skip the 9(2) on the lower parts. but I would think you would add the 9(2) on the lower strings because thats what you would call the 9(2) when doing chord inversions.

[JakeAcci]

Bob...did you see the below?

Originally Posted by fep

What point should you start learning Chromatic Concepts?

Certainly not before you can sit down in front of people and play at least 20 jazz standards (without the sheet music), chords, melody & improve.

You post a lot of questions but I've never seen you post a mp3 or video of you playing. imo, That's what you should do next. Why not join in with with the Practical Standards Study Group threads?

Or perhaps I'm off base and you do already have a large repertoire?

Originally Posted by bako

Regarding your posts, I have some questions similar to Fep. I observe that you ask many broad questions and sometimes your following round of questions don't indicate at what level you have absorbed much of the info and opinions that have been shared.
What do you feel are your next best steps to build the foundation needed to successfully approach the level of conceptual complexity you seem drawn to? Best, Bako

You may disagree, but I think addressing these issues - some big picture, more general issues - would be more useful than answering your specific question here.

For what it's worth, my answer to your question in this thread is: it depends on context and what you are practicing for. Both are common, but it's a bit of a jazz cliche (not in a negative way) to play an extended line in thirds as in the first example of the two.

[bobsguitars09]

wow! not sure how I missed the posts there. old age and too many questions I would gather. heading there and going to maul it over. thanks for the response.

[JakeAcci]

Originally Posted by bobsguitars09

wow! not sure how I missed the posts there. old age and too many questions I would gather. heading there and going to maul it over. thanks for the response.

Oh, ok, cool. Whenever I make a post like my previous one I'm aware it has the potential to ruffle some feathers or maybe be interpreted as offensive, I'm glad in this case you just happened to miss the replies I pointed out.

I could be wrong as I don't keep very close track, but here and on at least one other board you do seem to start a lot of threads asking a lot of specific and often conceptual questions, but you rarely contribute much to the discussion of those questions, nor do your posts indicate that you've given a lot of consideration to the responses.

No offense intended, but I personally do interpret that as somewhat rude. For anybody who sees the pattern, your lack of response to the answers to your questions may be demotivating for others who would otherwise be interested in helping. I could certainly be incorrect, and again, apologies if offended. My intention in pointing out this perspective is only that it may help your progress and allow for more clear communication on the forum about objectives...which often can lead to discussions that are useful for everybody.

[whatswisdom]

Originally Posted by JakeAcci

...your lack of response to the answers to your questions may be demotivating for others....

OP: Here's one way of looking at a Maj7(9)(11)(13). I posted this on another thread (see Leavitt study group) and think it's a fun & easy way to cover a good chunk of the fretboard and learn some pitch location. Give this a try & reply with your thoughts. Let's see if this gets a response.

Hey guys -

Here's a little exercise I hit on when I was reviewing the note names on the fingerboard. It's real easy and fun to play. C major7th(9)(11)(13) Arpeggio. I thought it might be helpful for some of the newbies who may not know all the notes. This is a good way in, IMHO. I think it's relevant to what we're doing because it shows how you need to cover a 5-fret range in position (in an easy way) and gets you covering a lot of the fingerboard with just 2 fingers!!! Say the note names as you play. Hope it might help some...

Here are your notes to learn:

C E G B D F A (make sure to go up + down)



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||---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---| 4 |---|
||---|---|---|---|---|---| 1 |---|---| 4 |---|
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[Richard-H]

Practice it in as many ways as you can think of.

[aniss1001]

Here is a link to a similar topic:

http://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/impro...arpeggios.html

In general I was adviced to know my basic 4 note arps and triads well and combine them to create extended sounds.

Check out for instance Don Mock's book "Artful arpeggio"...

[bobsguitars09]

If you want to build all 13 chords within the key of C. Would it be C major13, D minor13, E minor13, F major13, G13,? I am on the Aminor7 and trying to make a Am7 chord into a am13 but I am getting a b13 for the 13?

[bako]

Major Scale Extensions

I-----1 3 5 7 9 11 13

II-----1 b3 5 b7 9 11 13

III-----1 b3 5 b7 b9 11 b13

IV-----1 3 5 7 9 #11 13

V-----1 3 5 b7 9 11 13

VI-----1 b3 5 b7 9 11 b13

VII-----1 b3 b5 b7 b9 11 b13

[whatswisdom]

Originally Posted by bobsguitars09

I am on the Aminor7 and trying to make a Am7 chord into a am13 but I am getting a b13 for the 13?

A-7(9)(11)(b13) is correct.

[whatswisdom]

Originally Posted by bako

Major Scale Extensions
I-----1 3 5 7 9 11 13
II-----1 b3 5 b7 9 11 13
III-----1 b3 5 b7 b9 11 b13
IV-----1 3 5 7 9 #11 13
V-----1 3 5 b7 9 11 13
VI-----1 b3 5 b7 9 11 b13
VII-----1 b3 b5 b7 b9 11 b13

You're quick on the draw as usual, bako By the way, every day I'm playing these arps in all keys from one position per your chart from last year. Just wanted to thank you yet again. To all: Play these up + down in all keys until you can do it in your sleep--anywhere on fingerboard. Name each note. Tedious at first but well worth the effort...

[bobsguitars09]

Excellent!! thank you