Jimmy Bruno Guitar Institute? - Page 2

SUguitarguy · #31 03-01-2010, 11:23 PM

these are great insights!

Modalguru · #32 03-02-2010, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 82Benedetto

What "bad habits" are there in guitar playing? This isn't classical guitar

Well, that's a rock'n'roll and no jazz attitude. Ofcourse there are different approaches to technique, but some things just don't work and stand in your way when you get better.

Thanks, but I've already found a great teacher.

Cheers,
Chris

itsall4you · #33 03-02-2010, 05:50 AM

Well. I think there needs to be someone that does 'look after you' at least when you're at beginner/intermediate stage. There are bad habits like tensing up which can cause injuries. I think you need regular lessons. Maybe not weekly maybe not even monthly but every 3 months or something. Just to check you're on the right track and give you new ideas. And he knows you personally.

But I also agree that JBGI has a lot to offer. I have not tried JBGI but I'm in the Andreas Oberg program. Video lessons are in a way more 'efficient' in passing on information. One reason is because students tend to spend a lot of time practising what the teacher gives you in front of them. Which is not really 'learning' therefore you probably only spend 10% of your time actually getting material in each lesson.

However, he doesn't 'really' know you and it's not a personized program. I mean finding a teacher that will personize for you is quite hard too but there just simply isn't time for those guys (Jimmy, Andreas) to do it.

So I think going forth between the two is a great idea. Maybe have fewer private lessons? My teacher suggests going to a lot of teachers for a few sessions because they will give you a different view on playing. And apparently you learn the most in the first couple of sessions..

Anyway this sounds like a jumble but I hope you see what I mean...

JohnW400 · #34 03-02-2010, 10:04 AM

Most of the internet sites are good places to learn 'something'. This site , including the forum, has lot's of useful information. However it is far from being the only resource you need.

It's the same with JBGI and the others. Lot's of useful information and well worth the price of admission.

However there is no substitute for the occasional lesson with a real teacher, one on one. (Monthly, bi-weekly, weekly)

There are plenty of good, knowledgeable teachers that are as knowledgeable as Jimmy B regarding things like chords/voicings, scales , arpeggios, advanced concepts like pitch groups, polychords etc.

Also, what do you think happens to all these guitar players that get their BA or MA in muisic? Most teach. If you want to find a good teacher call the local university that has a jazz program. I'm sure they can find you someone.

SUguitarguy · #35 03-03-2010, 02:20 PM

anyone heard anything about the mark elf program?

SUguitarguy · #36 03-05-2010, 01:13 PM

just enrolled in the JBGI....here we goooo!

FatJeff · #37 03-05-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SUguitarguy

just enrolled in the JBGI....here we goooo!

Get working on those 5 shapes, man!

SUguitarguy · #38 03-05-2010, 02:01 PM

got three down so far. gonna wait on the other two till I get these solid. then move on from there.

FatJeff · #39 03-05-2010, 02:03 PM

They're pretty easy. Work on all 5 in all 12 keys for a day or two, then submit your video. Things get more interesting from there.

markerhodes · #40 03-06-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SUguitarguy

just enrolled in the JBGI....here we goooo!

Great! I look forward to hearing how it goes. I'm thinking of giving that a try when I can, um, finance it...

SUguitarguy · #41 03-11-2010, 12:53 PM

this really is going to at the very least open my understanding of the fret board to a whole perspective. I feel like I am going to truly be able to have a comprehensive idea of the way the fretboard can work. AKA a system to use. Once I have a good grasp of Jimmy's ideas I feel like you can apply them to anything you want to. Seems to be well worth the money so far.

lindydanny · #42 09-13-2010, 01:38 PM

Not to be grave-digging a thread, but I searched this one out after reading about Jimmy's site in another thread. I've looked through some of the vids and such, I just need an extra push I guess.

Is it really worth it?
Also, I'm working through some other books right now and I want to know: If I should stop working through them if I sign up?

Please help me, Obi-Wan. You're my only hope!

~DB

brian329 · #43 09-13-2010, 01:50 PM

Sign up and try it. For 60 bucks and 3 months, it's worth it to look into it. If you don't like it, you stop. I bet you've spent $60 on a lot less, I know I have.

jazzgtrl4 · #44 09-13-2010, 01:53 PM

i started two months ago...well worth the money. Jimmy is great. there is already an improvement in my playing and phrasing, taking my time etc... go for it, it gets better as you go !!!

cutnstuf · #45 09-13-2010, 03:40 PM

I just started the course recently and feel I've already gotten my money's worth. It's all gravy from here.

Cut

Patrick Brown · #46 09-16-2010, 10:08 AM

I joined yesterday morning(15 sept), and frankly am kind of blown away by the simple brilliance of it. Work is cut out for you, but I'm already making progress. I'll be there awhile, I'm sure. Jimmy is an awesome player, and I really grok his approach.

derek · #47 09-16-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lindydanny

Not to be grave-digging a thread, but I searched this one out after reading about Jimmy's site in another thread. I've looked through some of the vids and such, I just need an extra push I guess.

Is it really worth it?
Also, I'm working through some other books right now and I want to know: If I should stop working through them if I sign up?

Please help me, Obi-Wan. You're my only hope!

~DB

I have heard dozens of reports on about 5 different groups, and all say nothing but good things about the site. I have yet to hear one person say anything negative about it. Tough to argue with a unanimous chorus of satisfied users.

rdube · #48 09-16-2010, 08:58 PM

Derek's right - and I should add my voice to the chorus.

rabbit · #49 09-16-2010, 10:00 PM

Me too!

lindydanny · #50 09-17-2010, 09:18 AM

I'm convinced now. Even more so when I walked up to the magazine rack at my local grocer and there was an entire article about Jimmy Bruno and his "new" site (how it started) in Guitar Player magazine (I think that was the one). I can't ask for much more of a sign than that!!!

Now, just need to wait until some remodeling at home is done and I'm goin' in!

~DB

lindydanny · #51 09-20-2010, 12:06 PM

Quick question, Jimmy...

I just enrolled today and previously I was working the one lesson a week through Mickey Bakers method book. Should I keep going on that (up to lesson six now) or should I drop that and focus on what is in the institute?

Thanks,
~DB

derek · #52 09-20-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lindydanny

Quick question, Jimmy...

I just enrolled today and previously I was working the one lesson a week through Mickey Bakers method book. Should I keep going on that (up to lesson six now) or should I drop that and focus on what is in the institute?

Thanks,
~DB

I would recommend asking this question on the Jimmy Bruno thread found under The Players section. Jimmy answers questions there. I am not sure he looks at other threads on this site.

brian329 · #53 09-20-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lindydanny

Quick question, Jimmy...

I just enrolled today and previously I was working the one lesson a week through Mickey Bakers method book. Should I keep going on that (up to lesson six now) or should I drop that and focus on what is in the institute?

Thanks,
~DB

Having been in Jimmy's course for a while now, I'd suggest that you concentrate and get a solid base of Jimmy's "5 shapes" method and then you can probably apply them to the Baker book when you want to.

docbop · #54 09-20-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lindydanny

Quick question, Jimmy...

I just enrolled today and previously I was working the one lesson a week through Mickey Bakers method book. Should I keep going on that (up to lesson six now) or should I drop that and focus on what is in the institute?

Thanks,
~DB

I would say put away the Baker book for now. Jimmy pretty much wants you to do things his way at least in the early stages. Later on he's loosens up.

merseybeat · #55 09-21-2010, 01:41 AM

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What "bad habits" are there in guitar playing?

Poor timing (Even though you used to have good timing)
String clipping
Mechanical repetitiveness
Over use of hammer ons and pull offs
Limited repertoire
Bad tone

Jimmy's site is brilliant (I have been with him for 6 months and have learned loads). However without a one to one with an occasional tutor you will soon become deluded that you are greatest gift in your bathroom mirror! That is until you are faced with a performance scenario with decent fellow players and you crumble!

Its fine to be "Self taught" but the occasional "reality check" is the most important part of your journey!

Eddie

mike walker · #56 09-21-2010, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by merseybeat

Poor timing (Even though you used to have good timing)
String clipping
Mechanical repetitiveness
Over use of hammer ons and pull offs
Limited repertoire
Bad tone

Jimmy's site is brilliant (I have been with him for 6 months and have learned loads). However without a one to one with an occasional tutor you will soon become deluded that you are greatest gift in your bathroom mirror! That is until you are faced with a performance scenario with decent fellow players and you crumble!

Its fine to be "Self taught" but the occasional "reality check" is the most important part of your journey!

Eddie

Hey Eddie,

Not sure about 'Overuse of Hammer ons and pull offs' Very Subjective.

As is 'Limited Repertoire'... in what? A narrow definition of 'Jazz Guitar' that corresponds with my own limitations?

Also what is 'Bad tone?' Is bad tone not the tone i like? Does Abercrombie have bad tone? Or Sco or ...... well....ya get my point.

I think that sort of specificity is itching to include 'Bending strings'.

It sounds distinctly narrow to me.

merseybeat · #57 09-21-2010, 03:07 AM

Hi Mike!

These where faults I found in myself about a year ago after playing 30 years! All Genre's

You see I started to record myself as I was under the impression I was quite accomplished! When analyzing my playing I found all of the above and it took me a year to correct! My point is if no one is around to "bring you into line" Then all manner of bad habits start to creep in! These days I have much more of a critical ear!

By hammer on's I mean the ones that lack in volume and clarity!

The thing is "and I need a physiologist to explain this!" Listening to yourself whilst playing, and Listening to yourself whilst NOT playing (i.e. from a recording) are two very different things!

Eddie

merseybeat · #58 09-21-2010, 03:10 AM

PS I use 13 gauge Flats these days so Bending is not an option lol!

Eddie

mike walker · #59 09-21-2010, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by merseybeat

Hi Mike!

These where faults I found in myself about a year ago after playing 30 years! All Genre's

You see I started to record myself as I was under the impression I was quite accomplished! When analyzing my playing I found all of the above and it took me a year to correct! My point is if no one is around to "bring you into line" Then all manner of bad habits start to creep in! These days I have much more of a critical ear!

By hammer on's I mean the ones that lack in volume and clarity!

The thing is "and I need a physiologist to explain this!" Listening to yourself whilst playing, and Listening to yourself whilst NOT playing (i.e. from a recording) are two very different things!

Eddie

Yes, that's fair enough fella.

I used to pick everything when i started. I loved the "Catch me Sessions' by Joe Pass and really transcribed that whole album. I was also into Mclaughlin and Clifford Brown... so that combination was interesting.

Then I started to get tired of that constant attack on the notes and became more interested in a combination. And, you're right, making an effort to make those hammers and pulls as strong as the picked notes, especially with heavier strings on, takes a lot of work.

Yep, agreed with the last point too. So important to record yourself in that respect.

Mike

Patrick Brown · #60 09-21-2010, 08:21 AM

This latest trend of the thread has raised some very interesting points. I too, read it last night, and questioned some of it. With regard to hammers and pulls, etc.,,,,alot of it may boil down to pick grip and size of strings used. I notice that Jimmy, and alot of jazzers in the 'old school'(if I may) use the 'bluegrass pick grip'(see the video on this in the gear section of the curricula,). If you had a speed bevel cut into a pick, you'd ask for a right hand bevel. I use the 'pencil grip',,,,always have, probably always will. The bluegrass grip results in a powerful, less controlled(to me, at least,,I need to be careful in my choice of words here,,I don't mean to imply Jimmy or Pat Martino lack cotrol,,just that I do, if I take that grip) strike on the strings, hence his use of heavy gauge strings,,,same with Pat Martino. The pencil grip would call for a left hand bevel, and though I prefer the regular bevel(so far) in the Red Bears, allows use of 9's and 10's without overblowing the strike. I use 9's,,though I've considered putting just a 10 on the high E(10,11,15, etc.) We of a rock, fusion, World background tend to go after long sustain(natural,,not amp induced, particularly, if the amp can do it without being gained out,,my THD can), and hammers and pulls(and bends) are derigueur. Tone is a very subjective issue. Repertoire, also,,,string clipping(I need that clarified), and mechanical repetitiveness, would come under common sense clean playing,,I think something for which we strive in any genre. I've been playing 45+ years.(old dogs, new tricks)